{OT} confession gleaned

He was a wrecker, alright...

A home wrecker or a ho wrecker?

Either way. OK, this is really off topic! But I once saw a, um, er, 'documentary' where the thing totally disappeared...above AND below.

What thing? I am not following you.

Long ago, the CIA considered KSM to be an extreme egomaniac who would make up stories. Also serial killers are known to exaggerate greatly, even when not coerced or tortured into confessing.

Apparently, the CIA's got quite a list of posers - sources they tell their agents to avoid. Unfortunately, some of them are great salesmen, and they have access to people like Paul Wolfowitz and Cheney, both of whom are predisposed to ignore the agency's experience.

Here's something about a piece of slime who's been nagging our various Dr. Strangeloves to invade Iran for quite some time:

We used Holmes wreckers in my fleet business before we switched to Jerdan flat bead trucks

mike

Perhaps you can torture him, by making him watch reruns if the View, and find out ;)

mike

How do you know KSM was coerced or tortured into confessing? Like our friend Jeff likes to say, prove it, post a URL . ;)

mike

Not relevant, and not funny. What were you laughing at? The apple sauce on your shirt?

Unfortunately, the guy's not as stupid as the 3 musketeers in this newsgroup. He had reasons for "confessing" as much as he did:

March 16, 2007 News Analysis Confession at Guantánamo by 9/11 Mastermind May Aid Other Qaeda Defendants By ADAM LIPTAK The admissions made by the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks illuminated and transformed the cases against him and the 13 other Qaeda leaders transferred last year from C.I.A. prisons to the Navy base at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

In acknowledging last Saturday his role in more than 30 terrorist attacks and plots, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed certainly simplified the case against himself and may have effectively signed his own death warrant when he eventually faces a military trial.

But those same statements, released on Wednesday by the Pentagon, may complicate the prosecution of his former colleagues.

Speaking to a military tribunal that considers just the narrow question of whether Guantánamo detainees were properly designated as enemy combatants, Mr. Mohammed was so expansive in his acceptance of responsibility that other defendants might be able to use his statements in their own defense.

In a transcript of the hearing, Mr. Mohammed also disavowed information he had told Central Intelligence Agency interrogators about his accomplices, again potentially helping the other defendants.

Consider yourself warned: THIS whole thing!

Oh, since I run Linux, I didn't have any problems. Make sure your Pop-Up blocker is running!

Because everybody who reads real news sources knows this. It's been widely been reported for years, and just a day or two ago, one of the evening national news broadcasts showed an artist's rendition of Khalid Sheik Mohammed being tortured with his head upside down in a bag that was filled with water.

Why had he been sent to a secret CIA prison overseas? The only reason we've ever sent captives there has been to gain information through torture.

Below is something from the Chicago Tribune, Dec. 2005, and it's a pro- torture article:

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"Moral and legal aspects aside, conventional wisdom is that torture simply isn't practical: that someone who is being tortured will say anything to make the torture stop, and that information gleaned through torture is therefore not reliable. Some former military and intelligence officers say, however, that physically aggressive interrogation techniques that some human-rights groups consider torture can be effective in the short term. When asked for specifics, the technique they cite is "waterboarding," in which water is poured over a subject's face to create the sensation of drowning.

"Consider Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the 39-year-old former Al Qaeda operative who was the Sept. 11 mastermind and bearer of many Al Qaeda secrets. If anyone had a motive for remaining silent, it was the man known to terrorism investigators as "KSM." But not long after his capture in Pakistan, in March 2003, KSM began to talk. He ultimately had so much to say that more than 100 footnoted references to the CIA's interrogations of KSM are contained in the final report of the commission that investigated Sept. 11. Not that everything KSM said was believable. But much of his information checked out in separate questioning of other captured Al Qaeda figures.

"What made KSM decide to talk? The answer may be waterboarding, to which KSM was subjected on at least one occasion, according to various accounts. Intelligence operatives say that while waterboarding can break through a suspect's initial resistance, it isn't effective for long-term interrogation. Once a suspect begins to communicate, however, an interrogation specialist can put into action a wide range of far more subtle techniques, which include playing to a subject's ego or pretending to be his friend.

"It could not be learned exactly when KSM was waterboarded or whether the technique was used more than once. But only 12 days after being captured in Pakistan, on March 1, 2003, KSM made his first reported major revelation."

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So where's your proof, Mike?

Tribune Newspapers? Are you kidding? They are as bad as the NY Times when it come to biased news. You might just as well get your news for Move-on Ask the Senators who were there, like Levin, when he confessed, WBMA You don't here him saying the guy was tortured

As for torture not working, don't try to tell that to Jack Bauer LOL

mike

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What are your five most trusted news sources?

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