Re: Best no BS motor oil/filter comparison?

And your reading comprehension, at least on this particular post; was very poor. He distinctly said he used synthetic oil for ten years, but not Amsoil. personally I've used Syntec, Royal Purple and Amsoil and would NOT recommend Syntec under any circumstances.

Let's face it Ray, you disagree with everything I have ever posted on this forum, for reasons that have nothing to do with the substance of my posts. You previously posted that you use synthetic is all 3 or your cars, but obviously things have changed since then (number of cars has changed, and number that you synthetic in).

No one knows for sure how much synthetic oil will save you, if any. You could recoup some or all of the cost if you sold the car yourself, and provided receipts that showed you always used synthetic for every oil change. You might get 1% better gas mileage. You might avoid a repair that would have otherwise been necessary. It is hard to say.

I have more liability insurance than the state requires (hundreds of thousands more). Do I need that much insurance? Will I save money by having more insurance? Probably not, but it you never know. I pay a lot more for the extra liability insurance than I do for the synthetic oil. In fact, I pay more money for Twinkies every year (which I definitely don't need) than I pay for synthetic oil. According to Wikipedia, there was $61 billion USD spent worldwide on bottled water in 2006, and people are complaining that I am wasting $30 per year on synthetic oil?

$30 extra per year for synthetic oil is very cheap insurance IMO. Admittedly, if you only have your car for 3 years and trade it in, or it goes back to dealer after the lease expires, then maybe it will not pay off. But debating about that small amount of money is ridiculous IMO.

Oil analysis.

I don't disagree with everything you have ever posted, just when your facts are incorrect or when our opinions differ.

I would not have posted that I use synthetic in all three cars because I do not. You can search my previous posts, and if you find where I posted that, I will humbly admit my error in that post. We got a good deal on a '97 Escort in the past year so we're up to four vehicles. The Escort does not get synthetic oil.

BTW, I have not singled out your posts to look for errors so please do not take contratictions or corrections personally. I have pointed out errors in posts from Hachiroku, TeGGeR, and several others, and have managed to maintain a cordial relationship with them. They are not offended when I contradict them, and likewise, I am not offended when they or others point out my mistakes.

I agree.

I also used to pay a lot more for Twinkies than for oil changes (and cars too), but my employer did not reimburse for or issue Twinkies.

You posted that a couple of years ago back when you had 3 cars, so I remembered that part correctly. Unfortunately, I can't easily retrieve your old posts.

Yeah, I wouldn't put synthetic in a 10 year old Escort either. The cost of one synthetic oil change would total the car. But if you bought a excellent condition 98 Camry V6 XLE like my car, continuing to use synthetic oil (as has been done from the first oil change) would be a wise choice.

I haven't removed any valve covers lately, but in my previous job visiting dealers, I used to see a lot of engines with the valve cover removed because they required valve periodic adjustments. I'd say well over half, may 75%, were clean to very clean, and I attribute the high percentage of clean engines to they type of owners dealer service departments see. Owners who use dealer service departments exclusively are willing to pay a premium to have their car properly maintained and tend to have all of the automaker's recommended services performed. Of course, the mix of work done at the dealership may include unnecessary services like transmission flushes, but done routinely, they are not harmful.

If the top end of the engine were extremely clean, I would probably continue using whatever product the original owner was using - synthetic or conventional.