Re: The sky is falling

Don't know any Eastern practitioners?

Sorry!

I don't practice diversionary tactics, and if I was playing your dishonest game, I wouldn't have called 2 of your 3 sources "legitimate scientific organizations", wouldn't I?

There's no controversy about that. The controversy on global warming is over natural versus human contributions to it.

In this case the messenger believes in chiropractic and other pseudoscience, meaning his logic about anything can't be trusted. Anybody can arbitrarily pick legitimate sources to support his or her side and come up with any conclusion wished, but that's not honest.

I wouldn't trust any of them on any scientific matters, either.

You started out being fair, but then you said the whole report should be dismissed if even one IPCC member believed in chiropractic.

Placebos work untold wonders, too.

Acupressure and acupuncture are becoming much more widely accepted here in Canada.

Actually a burden on the taxpayers is being eliminated. Here in AZ, the idiot legislators who believe in chiropractic (or bribes from chiropractors) regularly try to mandate chiropractic coverage for health care plans, and all that does is raise my Blue Cross premiums.

Over at FatWallet.com, a person who handles almost all the insurance claims for chiropractors in Idaho said that all chiropractors there are crooks, except for three.

Tell me about it. Modern traditional practitioners are even "discovering" holistic treatment methods.

The funny part about some Eastern "alternative" medical techniques, is that the techniques are often older, far older, than "modern" medicine.

Modern hi-tech treatments are wonderful and effective, but somewhere along the line the baby got tossed with the bath water. Both have a place.

If what you see is mostly garbage, then you need to go to a different chiropractor.

Brought to you by your local pharmaceutical company.

The determination having been made you your medical association that stands to lose out if other practices prove effective.

Herbs and chiropractic have nothing to do with each other.

You determined this how???

Never said that at all - I said more than a few. Either you can't read or you're a liar.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

You're talking to people who have their ears plugged up.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

Yes - my daughter is a survivor of a childhood cancer that 20 years ago most certainly would have ended her life. I am very thankful to modern medicine for that. Your problem is you see it as a one or the other. They both have their place.

You're expecting me to disagree? You're making some huge incorrect assumptions about me.

That's where you're wrong (the second sentence, not the first). But you know what - that just means that you don't have to use it, and I have the choice to use it. We each will get the results of our choice. Sound fair?

Thank you for pointing out a major flaw of socialized medicine. You make decisions for me because you are paying for them. When I get to choose, I pay and, good or bad, I get the results. Please don't eliminate my freedom of choice by forcing me to use the system that you choose for me and tax me to do it. You would say that I would always have the choice in either system if I want to pay. The flaw in that is that (1) You're still forcing me to pay for a system that I don't necessarily believe in by forced participation, and (2) Many of the plans I hear about will make it criminal not to participate, or as Hillary has said, your wages will be garnisheed for your premiums. Also, is it not true that people are not allowed to pay extra for extra services if they so desire in Canada? By definition, socialized medicine eliminates choice. Socialism is never happy until everyone is equally miserable.

But your own medical system told me I'd be in a wheelchair starting about 15 or 20 years ago, and yet I'm not.

BTW - congratulations on a successful diversion. It worked.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

Yet you effectively implied that one un-scientific place agreeing with the scientific ones negated what the scientific ones were saying.

Ahh - but they ae going even further and saying that the solar activity is the ovewhelming main driver, and that the stuff the GW crowd is claiming is noise level. I would even suggest the measurement methods used by the GW crowd don't have the "gage R&R" (read a rigorous definition of that to understand what that is) that is required to draw

*any* conclusions. Just the example of the NASA data being erroneous because of one temp. sensor getting thrown off by the moving of a couple of a.c. units shows that. Nevermind the intentional falsification of data on things like that Cascade Mountain snow pack, and then removing the guy who blew the whistle on that from his position as Associate Climatologist for the state of Washington when he did what a true scientist should have done.

OK - so you agree that if a number of people participating in the circle jerk known as the IPCC Report are using chiropractic (or herbs, or whatever), then the report should be declared invalid. After all, anyone who uses those things could not possibly understand anything about science. If you're honest and consistent, you'll say 'yes'. But you'll weasel word your way around it.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

I addressed that previously. You say that as if a football player could have a green stick fracture in his leg, be given a placebo, and go right back into the game as if nothing happened. The effect on my back has been proven not to be placebo effect. Hey - the doctors said I would have been in a wheel chair long ago. If placebos are *that* good, then maybe we should use them all the time.

Again - congratulations you guys on diverting the discussion away from areas that are uncomfortable for you. The tactic worked.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

Nice comeback. Why don't you show that anything I said is incorrect?

The evidence is there that conventional medicine saves lives. Why don't you show us the evidence for alternative medicine?

Jeff

Who said they did?

Neither herbs nor chiropractic help much, except the wallets of the people selling the herbs or the chiropractor.

Jeff

That's the whole problem, Jeff. You make that statement out of ignorance. Yet people who know no better would take the option away from me. I prefer freedom of choice.

Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x')

You're incorrect. There is no evidence that herbs do much to help people. And for chiropractic, only back pain is helped.

If I am incorrect, provide your evidence.

You still have the freedom of choosing useless therapies. You just have to pay for them out of your own pocket, instead of everyone else's.

Jeff

IF that's true, then why are some contraindicated when certain drugs are being taken?

Because they interfere with the drugs. Remember, interfering with drug action is not helping people.

Jeff