Unavailable material . That somebody chooses to not sell.
Um No ....Not for profit. For expenses. mail, time and the CD or Dvd. If
it bothers you that much you send the $15 to her . I don't care who gets
Why not quit whining. If you don't want to sell, Then Don't.
If im not making any money off of it. Or reprinting it. And its in my
garage. Then there's no copywrite infringement .
If a tree falls in the woods and nobody heard it . Did it happen.
Or as Bob put it . Mind your own business.
I'm making my own.
you want *me* to send her money so you can get the information that her late
husband pulled from the market? Boy you sure have some balls.... if you
really want the information, it is out there, in print.... all you have to
do is get it... or would you rather *ME* do it for you? tough shit, I won't
go against Bob's wishes, do the legwork yourself... the information is free
of charge if you want it... somehow I feel doing a simple search may be more
work than you are willing to do...
no sir, I did NOT.... you even quoted my reply, but somehow got the above
from it? very odd, indeed...here it is, again, in it's entirety:
"not that I'm aware of... but the point Chris was making is that the
material is copywrited, and you are asking someone to unlawfully copy
that material for profit...."
I don’t see an offer from me of any type there...
no, it's out there...
odd, since I can find Bob's sermons and all his contributions to this
group(and there are many) with a simple search... as I said, you don't
*want* to find it...
Heres the quote.
I would at least look for ways to send contributions to his widow for
every copy made and shared. I suppose she could decline and allow us to
distribute Bob's work free if she so chooses.
I have tried to contact her through the Blog on another matter, but
received no reply.
I apologize for the misunderstanding. "I would at least look for ways"
was interpreted wrong.
I didn't mean to offend anyone.
I thought Bob wanted people to share who aren't selling his posts. I'm not
doing this for profit. Means don't make any cash from it. I wanted to make a
manual to put in my garage.
And further research I came upon many post about the removal of the sermons
. I don't care to get involved.
I see now he just decided he didn't want anyone to have any of it.
End of that.
I never heard of the guy until about 2 months ago.
Although I met the "other" pilot Bob Hoover before the Feds tried to steal
his license away. Thinking he was going to have a heart attack. When he was
doing "both engine off" barrel rolls at airshows in a shrike commander.
With the gear down.
Furthermore I found some of his material last night and this morning. I
found Grendels saga last night and wished I found it this morning. Because I
was up for 4 hours . I rode a 82 Goldwing to Alaska ,And I had no issues.
And it was nowhere near as bad as this.
I found the Christmas story. And a bunch of his posts.
Somebody pointed me to the Tulz last month. But I found a 9and a half Tulz I
think. Just now.
I found a reference to an driving to Inuit story. And a site about a bunch
of people riding up there in VW vans. But Bob wasn't listed as driving
there or coming on the trip later.
So once again . I apologize for offending some people.Who have history with
Bob or his wife.
I suppose I could find me another 85-92 Diesel Golf or a Caddy Diesel ,
instead of a bug an the issue is resolved.
In simple terms, Bob's "Sermons" are a compilation of his individual
posts and articles he wrote on several different forums.
If you happen to search Usenet and see him reply to someone with tech
advice, you are in fact reading a piece of the Sermons. The only thing
you are missing is the hard work of combing through the electronic
universe and collecting them all into one CD. THAT is what the Sermons
were. A collection of tech advice and articles, edited and produced into
a format that is easier to read and browse through.
The source material is still out there, scattered around in a million
It is difficult to delete messages you send to Usenet. I worked for a
phone company/ISP and I for a while moderated this group by deleting
inappropriate posts. Mere mortals cannot :)
Since we both go back here a long time and "knew" Mr. Hoover I will give
my thoughts on this.
1. I am sure Bob would like his writings to be an asset to the Vw
community even after his death, and therefore made available.
2. I have a legit copy of the Sermons bought from the original source
BusBoys or something like that, a Type 2 company anyways.
3. Under Norwegian law I am entitled to make a backup copy of any Cd/Dvd
bought by legit means. So if I kept the backup and sold the original I
would be covered legally for the sake of argument.
4. I personally really see no reason for not making this material
available for the greater good of the community as a whole.
5. And just for clarity, the original is nothing more than a "Home burned"
copy, not that it matters much, just the fact.
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Well, regardless of what we think, we can't break the law and go against
what was his last wish on this matter... I suppose his wife would be the
only one who could give us permission.
A backup copy for your own use is allowed in Finland too, not sure about
the US. But if you sell or give away the original, you are no longer
entitled to keep the copy either.
If someone were to compile a website collection of links and searches
that pull the same information from the web and usenet, I'm sure that's
perfectly ok. It's like making another "CD" from scratch, using the same
already once published information. The original author still holds
copyright to the content. Whoever makes the website or hosts the links,
does not own copyright to the work displayed. And should not try to
"sell" it either, but this is a gray area now that I'm not so sure of.
Selling memberships to a locked website to view the links that lead to
openly available articles? Weird but I guess there's a market for
I did study copyright law among other laws in college, but that was in
Finland. And a long time ago. :)
I just found the REAL Bob Hoover Inuvit run. On the NEW type2 site. I
only read the last page. Which explains why I couldn't get anything from
the old site.Its all moved.
I was supposed to put my attic stairs together today. So I can get my
camping gear out of my living room. But it might not happen. I'm not sure
but it looks like there's more Hoover material then the 800 pages of the
sermons. Does the sermons just cover VWs and some writings . Or did it
cover all his aircraft VW writings too .
This is going to be some awesome reading.
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