I am sure many will say that the BMW is a better looking car, to sit
Guys, I have a Vr6 1994, and I love this car. AT the same time I want
a car that handles better at high speeds and turns, I had two
accidents with my VR6 untill now, I am a crazy driver (average speed
90 miles/hr). The BMW 528(1997) looks like a good option.
My question is will I miss the power of the VR6? any ideas or
thoughts. I know that it's hard to compare these two cars, but I am
just afraid to miss driving my "beep beep" VR6. anybody had a similar
Please share your thoughts
If you've already had two accidents I would suggest changing your driving
habits or upgrading your skills. A car alone will not cause accidents. Nor
can it prevent them. If you are an idiot in a VW and switch to a Porsche,
you will be an idiot in a Porsche.
On 9 Nov 2003 11:39:55 -0800, email@example.com (totojambo)
I would humbly suggest that the problem lies not in the VR6's handling
characteristics, but in the drivers ability to recognize those
characteristics and handle the car properly.
Having been a long time golf driver, and having spent some time behind
the wheel of the 5 series I would expect you to have more trouble and
less fun with the 5 series. It is considerably heavier and
mass/inertia laws will have more affect on you than the suspension in
street driving. It is, however, a much better long-trip highway or
bumper-to-bumper commuter car.
I think you would enjoy (and learn a lot from) two types of autosport.
Start with AutoX (autocross), you can find a local group at
it is very inexpensive to participate in and REALLY pushes the driver
Once you have done that for a while, if you want to see higher speeds,
try a track event with a local VW club, though that is quite a bit
Scott (who used to drive insanely fast in-city when he was younger,
then discovered legal, extremely fun, ways to do the same)
Is it the same in the US where all BMW drivers are arrogant t**t's anyway,
that drive right up your ass flashing their headlights cause your sticking
to the speed limit and don't want to get flashed by speed camera's (UK)?
That stigma alone would stop me buying a BMW.
<< That stigma alone would stop me buying a BMW. >>
A good friend of mine is car shopping at the moment. He was originally veering
toward either a GLX VR6 or Wolfsburg Edition Jetta, or the new Anniversary
Edition GTi, but sadly he can't fit in either car. He's highly interested in
Honda's new Accord V6 coupe', and I had him drive a slightly used 328Ci for
comparison. He loved the way the 3 series drove, but refuses to buy it because
of the stigma attached to BMW's. It's a sad state of affairs that these great
driving machines carry such an awful auroa with them, but oh well. In response
to the original post, you're comparing two very different cars. My preference
would be to go for the Golf VR6, but this is going under the assumption that
you're comparing the brand new 200Hp Golf to the 190Hp 528i. If what you're
looking at is the older 174Hp VR6, than the BMW would probably be the better
performer of the two. A 200Hp Golf VR6 with an H&R Racing cup kit, better
tires, an intake and exhuast system would really rock. And total would probably
cost $25k USD or less if you're careful with options.
I dunno...to me, it makes no sense to buy a car because of what other people
think of it. So why would I NOT buy a car because of what other people think
of it? I love the new BMW 545 and I probably will get one with the sport
suspension and the sequential manual gearbox.
I try my best to drive carefully and considerately, whether in my Passat
GLX, or in my hopefully not too distant future 545. Indeed, the more
powerful and fast my car is, the more considerate I try to be to other
drivers, realizing that they probably cannot match the speed, acceleration,
handling, etc., that my vehicle can muster.
By the way, I've learned: never drive hungry. I try to eat something sweet
before I drive a long way on a crowded highway. Low blood sugar increases
the risk of road rage. So does sleepiness.
It's not exactly the same, but there's definitely a
sort of evil kinship. Here in Southern California,
it's mainly the 3-series BMW drivers who are the
biggest - make that second biggest, after Porsche
drivers - pricks on the road. Just way too aggressive,
with an infuriating sense of entitlement. I have
developed some very refined and subtle techniques for
irritating them, mostly involving some timely lane
changes and slight speed adjustments. Of course, when
I see that infamous "kidney" grille bearing down on me
in the rear view mirror, I can't always tell what
series of BMW it is, so *all* BMW drivers get the
special treatment, not just the 3-series drivers.
Here's the basic premise. BMW drivers, at least all
3-series and most 5-series drivers in the Los Angeles
area, exhibit a belief in a fuckwitted and obnoxious
tautology. They believe they're special because they
drive BMWs, and they believe they drive BMWs because
they're special (7-series drivers also believe this,
but they are usually rich, and realize they have too
much at stake to be as deliberately obnoxious as their
3- and 5-series brethren.) It's a very pernicious,
wrong-headed belief, and it's obvious that they believe
it. It leads to aggressive driving everywhere,
especially on the freeways, generally manifested by
excessive speed and weaving in and out of traffic.
So here's the trick. Say you're driving on the freeway
in a traffic pattern as illustrated below, where the
other cars are indicated by the 'equals' signs, your
car is indicated by the square brackets, and the
obnoxious BMW driver is indicated by 'sw', for
'shitwipe'. The direction of traffic is from left to
right, with the fast lane at the top:
= [ ]
= = = =
You see in your mirror that Shitwipe is coming up fast
on your right side, intending on shooting into the gap
between you and the car ahead of you, and then into the
fast lane to your left. The problem is that the gap,
and thus the window of opportunity, is shrinking: you
are overtaking the car ahead of you in the lane to your
right. Shitwip thinks he's a skilled fast driver, and
that he can "shoot the gap". He can...but not if you
take the appropriate corrective action to close it.
What you do is, you accelerate slightly to close the
gap earlier, then you back off right away. Shitwipe is
now, possibly, boxed into his lane, because the car
coming up behind you will quite possibly close the gap
between him and you. If it really works out well, YOU
can move into the lane to your left, the car that was
behind you will now innocently be blocking Shitwipe
from moving into the lane you've vacated, and Shitwipe
will quickly recede into the mass of slower-moving
traffic behind you.
The key in this is to appear clueless and utterly
nonchalant. If you *look* like you were doing it
deliberately, Shitwipe will become even more enraged
and aggressive than usual, which is to say, almost
murderous. He will begin to drive not just
aggressively but recklessly, endangering your life as
well as that of other innocent motorists. The clueless
look can be achieved by looking out the side windows
into the distance, visibly fiddling with your radio,
shuffling some imaginary papers on the front passenger
seat, or beginning an imaginary cell phone
conversation. BY NO MEANS should you establish eye
contact with Shitwipe, either directly or via the
mirrors. While it would be extremely satisfying to see
the look of frustration and rage on his face, you'll
just have to be secure in the knowledge that you have
irritated a supreme asshole.
Try it! You'll like it.
I will take your word...but there are many who take driving on crowded roads as
some type of competitive event. I will confess that seeing an asshole get boxed
in or frustrated would bring a smile to my face...I just worry when it escalates
to something that can cause big troubles.
You see? Without ever having had any independent
confirmation of it, I was always certain that other
motorists did indeed enjoy seeing the pricks get a mild
I agree. That's why I stressed the importance of not
making eye contact with the BMW-driving prick. This
isn't about publicly establishing an NBA-style "I
showed you, asshole!" sort of competitive dominance.
It's just a small, nearly hidden (but not entirely, as
your confession indicates) victory for the good guys.
You assume that someone juvenile enough to drive unsafely is really
going to ignore your boxing in or learn a lesson. I "know" people mess
with me. Why would anyone possible drive 10 miles over the speed limit
in front of me when I want to drive 11 miles over the speed limit. For
the same reason I sometimes drive just 10 miles over the speed limit.
I am driving a safe speed when I drive 10 or 11 miles over sometimes.
Sometimes driving 20 less than the speed limit is the safe speed. Oh
that set of circumstances was just some ramblings. People die when
juvenile people tailgate and spin out of control or guns get fired. It
happens where I live and probably where you live. Maybe not guns but
plenty of stupid death and mayhem from excessive speed, tailgating and
crappy lane changing.
It is not worth it to try to teach anyone a lesson. Well actually it
is good to teach people lessons by good example. Not everyone is
inclined to learn though.
Years ago I was driving with a friend who was not a real good driver, and based
on some slight we were both unaware of, a gut in a corvette decided to "teach us
a lesson" by cutting in front of us and jamming on his brakes. My friend was
never too quick on the pedals, may not have been watching, but never touched the
brakes and just creamed the guy in the vette.
Did you ever see what a 1970 Plymouth Fury does to fiberglass in a rear end
collision...let's just say I think the vette driver got the biggest lesson that
Highway games are dangerous and make the road unsafe for everyone. Pricks will
be pricks...just let them go.
You're right! How did you know? You're probably the first person on this
newsgroup to have figured this out. Or at least the first one with the
straight-shooting ethics to actually come out and say it. I admire your
Man, you just amaze me with your knowledge about me! How on earth did you
know about the sunglasses? I paid $800 for them, just because of the
designer label! And I was saying, we were driving at night, but I was
wearing the sunglasses anyway. Maybe that's what annoyed the other guy? I
wish I had you in the car with me, you could have set me straight, pointing
out the error of my ways and giving me a lecture on shitwiping, a subject
you clearly know a great deal about.
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