Nation oil/filter change

hmmm, i recently paid 29.99 for 4 litres of castrol edge at makro, fully
synthetic oil for a diesel engine with a particulate filter, magnatec not
recomended for my car at least due to the dpf.
oil filter for my car is about 4 quid,

so i guess a little saving, but i still would prefer the little extra to
know i've done the job properly

Buying oil in bulk containers brings about a considerable saving over the
normal retail 4 litre packs. Which makes it even more disgusting that main
dealers charge the per litre retail price.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Yes they get it for around £1.00 a litre from what i have ben told

On 21/09/2011 13:01, steve robinson wrote:

Maybe for mineral oil, but not for synthetics

On 21/09/2011 12:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


Goodness me!

A retailer buys something in bulk at a wholsale price, and sells it on
in smaller quantities to consumers at a marked-up retail price?

Disgraceful behaviour.
They should do something about that.


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A garage is not selling it on in the same way as a retailer does. That
would apply to oil they sold to a customer in the retail packs over the
counter - not that used as part of a service.


If it weren't for most new car servicing being paid for by companies and
therefore tax deductible, perhaps something would.

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On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:56:01 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

[...]


OTOH, if main dealers were not able to make good profits from servicing
and repairs, the price of new cars would rise substantially.

Chris

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Chris Whelan wrote:

LOL! price of new cars are already inflated. Compare e.g. with personal
importing from Denmark.

Quirk of the taxation systems - list prices before tax vary across Europe
due to differing local taxation regimes.

I'm pretty sure the exchange rate would make it impossible to save money on
importing from Denmark anyway.
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Steve H wrote:

Yes Denmark has the highest purchase car tax in Europe, and the highest VAT.
So dealers get rock bottom prices from factories just in order to make cars
affordable in Denmark. An exporter/importer pays no Danish taxes if he leave
DK within 24 hours.  
 

The exchange rate is completely immaterial. It doesn't matter what the exchange
rate is at any one time. Prices adjust in Denmark and in UK all the same.

Of course the exchange rate comes into play if you want to import a car
from Denmark!

Sterling is worth less than it has ever been in recent years vs. many
1st world currencies, which has made imported goods expensive - just
have to look at the rising prices of Japanese motorbikes to see evidence
of it.

I do recall a time when it was very profitable to parallel import from
northern Europe, but those days are long gone.
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SteveH wrote:

No it doesn't! If you pay more for the Danish Kroner, then you also pay more
for a car in the UK. Look how car prices have gone up recently in the uk. you
hardly get anything worthwhile from new under 20k. The relative advantage of
importing from DK is unchanged.

On 21/09/2011 17:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Sorry, that's bollocks.

Mark-up is not restricted to 'shops' selling 'retail packs', and nor
should it.

Items supplied by someone you have contracted to do work for you are of
course going to be marked up.  Why on earth should they not?

They need to pay up-front for the bulk quantity, which they then have
sitting for a period of time as stock.   That's tying up cash in stock,
and affects cash flow.   It's essentially a form of credit since they
sit on the costs for a period of time till they sell it on.   That costs.

Also, it's not unreasonable to make a profit on selling on.

I don't see why you make a distinction between a shop's markup, and the
markup when a tradesman sells you something.

Will a plumber or gas fitter sell you parts at cost? No. And nor should
they.   Their stock of parts costs them to have sitting around at your
convenience.   Even ordered-in items will be marked up.

That's the way business is, because it needs to be.   They need to make
a living from what they do.

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Ron Lowe wrote:


The mark up on retail sales is different to markup on bulk purchased
items , the base cost is different

They should be but there is a difference between being charged on off
the shelf retail costs as apposed to the cost of bulk supplies

They dont pay up front they usally pay on account which is usally
paid thirty days after the end of the month for smaller outlets large
dealership operations will ften have 60 or 90 day terms

Ok lets look at it like this , you can buy anchor bolts from bq they
cost around £3.00 each  would you think selling those on at a £5.00 a
time is fair markup for a tradesman if he actually buys in bulk and
can get the same bolt for £0.40p , same with screws and nails , a
small pack (10off) of 2 inch screws at the local ironmongers will
cost you £2.50 i can buy a thousand of far higher quality fixings for
£15.00

Useing your logic that the tradesman should be able to charge  shop
cost retail prices your average 3 bed semmi would be costing over a
million pounds to build when the true cost is somewhere near
£120000.00

Correct but the baseline will be far lower

Nicely put. Wish I'd done so well.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

But the cost of building that 3 bed semi is still a great deal less than it
is actually sold for [1] - and if you continue that analogy a little
further, the Bank of England's borrowing interest rate is 0.5% but the
mortgage interest rates for buying those semis are between 3.4% and 5.3% -
some profit for the banks eh over the life of the loan?

But at the end of the day, businesses are there to make money and they can
charge what the hell they like for it - but you don't have to buy their
products.

I don't know what your employment or business is Dave, but are you charging
too much for your time and labour for doing the work or running the
business?  I bet your boss/customers think you are - and I would lay odds
that you think that you are worth a lot more than you're paid.


[1]    So in reality, the £120,000.00 quoted above is rather inflated so
that the builders (along with the estate agents) in reality are making a
vast profit off their customers!

On 22/09/2011 9:32 AM, Woodworm wrote:

Its not a good idea to live off unearned money.

Can someone let all Governments know!

I'm a sound engineer working in broadcast. If I tried to apply that sort
of markup for the consumables I supply as part of my services (like say
batteries for radio mics) I'd be laughed out of work. But then I'm not in
a effectively monopoly position like a main dealer for a make of car.

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On Thu, 22 Sep 2011 10:06:13 +0100, Dave Plowman (News)  


& yet people still buy gaffer tape from Canford.