Another sign of GM's desperation

"simon" ...

He's actually a resident Toyota NG troll who lives in his own little fantasy land. He does not help the cause of promoting domestic cars. He's the worst enemy in that regard, because he never has facts to back up his bullshit.

Hell, he doesn't even bother to chime in when we *do* praise certain domestic vehicles. He only shows up to try to discredit any praise we have of Toyotas, or amplify any problems we may have (and yes, Toyotas have problems that we're not blind to).

If you want a more reasonable discussion regarding domestic vs. foreign vehicles, I suggest other posters. This one will never admit he's wrong about anything. Ever.

Natalie

Thanks Natalie, don't we love those fantasy land types (GWB is another one)

What he says doesn't really matter. After all, most of us know he is no-nothing who thinks he is a no-it-all. In other words, a useless troll.

Jeff

Duh! year to date is from Jan 1 to current date . April '06 to April '07 is called 12 month period DUH!!. Be careful when you call someone dummy.

But a lot of people (newbies) don't know that, and may give credence to his drivel.

Natalie

*snipping rest*

Natalie

If the Michigan 3 were to open new plants, they would get state and local government subsidies, too.

Actually, if they don't pay taxes in the US, Toyota and Honda have to pay a higher federal tax rate in Japan. The Toyota and Honda subsidies are US companies (even though they are fully own by a foreign company) and have to pay US, state and local taxes, just like any other US company.

If I am incorrect, please prove it, just like you proved that the first digit of the VIN has to do with US content.

Yeap, the US tax rate is lower than the Japanese tax rate.

Jeff

What planet are you on?

According to Investment works,

Year to date means "For the period starting January 1 of the current year and ending today." April 07 to April 07 is thirteen months.

You're wrong on two counts. Who's the dummy here?

Before calling someone a dummy, look in the mirror.

Wrong, again, as usual.

GM sold about 1.2 million vehicles in the US this year (to end of April). Toyota sold about 0.8 million. Almost 1/2 of GM's sales are trucks in the US, so Toyota sold about 0.7 million trucks, at most, in the US. 0.8 is not less than 0.7.

Before calling someone a dummy, look in the mirror.

Jeff

Actually, he got that wrong, too. April 06 to March 07 is a 12-month period. April 06 to April 07 is a 13-month period.

I think he must has a reflection on his screen that he is looking at when he calls other dummy.

Jeff

I liked this apropos typo: short being short one letter. ;-)

Cathy

In the automotive business (at least at Toyota Motor Sales), "year to date" generally refers to calendar year to date ("CYTD"), as Jeff pointed out. Vehicle sales are generally reported as YTD or CYTD unit sales.

The automakers report fiscal results as fiscal year to date ("FYTD").

Occasionally, sales of a particular series, i.e., Camry, Corolla, Echo, etc. will be reported as model year to date ("MYTD") to compare a model year to model year sales.

Naturally you are entitled to you personal opinion. Daewoo cars does not exist, at least in the US. The cars made in the former Daewoo assemble plants in Korea, that are sold by GM in the US are Suzuki models. The Korean brands sold in the US are Hyundai and KIA. Hyundai cars outrank similar Toyota and Honda models in survey done in the US.

Hyundai dealers recently allowed customers to ran a comparison test drive, between their car, a Civic, Corolla and a Focus. All were equipped the same. The price difference among the four cars from the Corolla down to the Hyundai was $5,100. The Corolla was the most expensive followed by the Civic, Focus, Sonata.

I personnly do not drive small cars and I no longer buy import brands but the question for one who does should be, is a Corolla worth 30% more to me than a Sonata? Particurally when the Hyundai has a 100K warranty and the price differance will buy ALL of the fuel for a Sonata for the three to four year the average American new car buy keeps their car before buying another new car.

Courier fleets use hundreds of those as well as Neon's, Corollas, Focus, VW, Civics and others. Courier cars are generally run around the clock and easily accumulate 100K or more a year. They remain is service from three to five years.

mike

You too are entitled to your personal opinion, not matter how stupid.

Why would they offer parts in the US if they did not sell them in the US?

I have driven a Daewoo in Oklahoma and Texas. And I see them around NJ occasionally.

You are entitle to you own opinion but your statements are not factual. I have always said Toyota make great cars. I have also said, from what I've seen in my many years in the business, every other manufacturer today is making great cars as well. If pointing out that Toyota have problem on occasion make me a troll in you mind them I'm a troll but the fact is EVERY manufacturer makes some that are not up to snuff on occasion, the average for all manufactures including Toyota and Honda is around 2%, that is why they all offer a warranty, even Rolls Royce. You in the Toyota and Honda NGs, who cross post to domestic brands NGs to denigrate their vehicles, and praise those you buy, are the real trolls.

Our records over the years show the only real difference is style and price. I never suggest to anybody that the buy a particular brand, domestic or foreign, but rather that they drive ALL those that suit their needs, get a total drive home price for each and buy the ONE that suits their budget.

I do not own a GM vehicle and I personally no longer buy Toyotas or Lexus because my purchasing experiences proved to me after around a dozen of their vehicles, that Toyota and it dealers over price their vehicles and their service and many of their models are not only overpriced but underpowered compared to others in the market place. If others choose Toyota, that their choice, I could not care less.

mike

Her statements are factual. You are a Troll.

Try again. 100 to 200 problems per 100 vehicles.

You're continuing to make a false argument is part of what makes you a troll.

Another reason why you're a troll. Your crossposting.

A lot of people in the Toyota newsgroup think that the total drive home price, including repairs and resale value down the road is a lot lower for a Toyota than a similarly priced Ford.

And, more people around the world are finding that Toyotas are more valuable to them than GMs. That is why Toyota outsells GM around the world.

then stop trolling.

Jeff

DUH! Nobody expected you would understand the difference between selling 'parts' and new cars. Try buying a new 2007 Daewoo at that site, or anywhere else in the US. Yes you are correct, you too are entitled to your personal opinion, not matter how stupid. LOL

mike

DUH! Not good a figuring perceantages either I see LOL

mike

Ya, right, dummy LOL

mike

Ya, right, dummy LOL

mike