BUYING 84 N.Y'R REAR WHL DRIVE??

I have the opportunity to purchase a nice gold 84 fifth ave New Yorker w/75,000 mi.
Any opinions, things to look for or suggestions. It just made a trip from
Tenn (300 mi.) w/no problems. Needs headliner, A/C charge.
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Can't go wrong with a rear wheel drive 8 cyl....If you live in a snowy climate, winters may give you bad traction...Good Luck...

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1980s vintage M-body Mopars (Fifth Avenue, NYer, Gran Fury, and Diplomat) are among the most under-appreciated cars ever made. Mopar fans at the time didn't like them because they replaced the much-loved B-body and A-body with a single class of car AND they had the wierd front suspension from the Volare and Aspen. Other people didn't like them because the styling was simple and boxy. And the automotive press HATED them because they were rear-drive, solid-axle, carbureted V8 and 6-cylinder cars instead of "high tech" turbocharged front-wheel drives.
But they turned out to be brutally rugged and reliable- my vote for the best "everyday cars" made between 1978 and 1993. The K-cars and their derivatives like the Shadow, Sundance, FWD LeBaron, and so on don't even come close to being as simple to maintain, simple to work on, and long-lived. And of course very little from GM or Ford in that era came close to the K-cars, so its not even a contest there.
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Steve wrote:

Uh...*tilt*.
Steve, I'm not aware of your ever having owned any of the K-derivatives. They are *VASTLY* easier and less expensive to maintain, and *MUCH* simpler to work on than the shitmess found under the hood of an M-body. C'mon, think about this: A feedback carbureted engine with virtually every known type of throw-on/hang-on/slap-on emission control widget and device, and miles of vacuum hoses and wires hooking all this unreliable spaghetti together, versus a simple TBI or PFI system with far fewer and simpler components, all of which are much more easily accessed. Four spark plugs right up front instead of eight (four of which are a bitch to reach because of the air pump lines, the brake booster, etc.). The list goes on and on of ways in which the K-derivs are vastly easier to service and maintain than the M-bodies. There may be a couple counterexamples, but not many.
I know you like the M-bodies, but let's try to be a little more evenhanded about the matter -- they are very, very far from perfect. Their body hardware is cheap and nasty, every last bit of it, just like it was on most every other Chrysler product of the day. Stuff breaks and falls apart on the M-bodies in ways that you just don't see on later ('90-up) K-derivatives. Sure, the engine and trans will run "several forevers" in the M-body, maybe just one single "forever" with the K-deriv, but crap falls off/falls apart around the running engine and trans in the M-body.
And that's without even getting into the much better mileage and driveability of even a low-line 2.5 TBI K-deriv compared to that "Let's pretend it's perpetually 1977" carbureted M-body.
Sorry, I do not buy your "Best everyday cars made between 1978 and 1993" award to the M-body.
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Needs to be checked by a mechanic if you are departing with significant money to buy it. For example, AC repair could be much more expensive than just a charge. Engine could be worn out too and you would not know it.

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004, GABOY wrote:

The '84 is the last year with the good carburetor (Carter) and the less-problematic EGR system. It is an old-tech vehicle. They work fine and last a long time, and can be made to handle and stop better with the use of the cop/taxi-spec brake and suspension components. Repairs are generally inexpensive, as is insurance.
Don't pay too much for it.
DS
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Well, thta is some of the feedback I am trying to get!
What do you think f $500 bucks for a rust, dent free, with very good paint that neds only the headliner & Ac repairs? Thanks louis
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GABOY wrote:

If you don't buy it for THAT, then I will!
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