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Simple. Because through all of your hard work and study, people sharing Art's political philosophy (roughly: "you've got more than me, so hand it over") stand to get rich. They want to piggyback off your efforts in order to make up for their own shortcomings. They'll use class envy and trumped up media coverage to do so, because, after all, a perfect outcome should be within reach of every physician in every circumstance.

(I must caution you, though, that if you're too successful as a physician, you'll likely contribute to that other Big Social Problem: the overwhelmingly large population of the aged, for which the only prescribed remedy will be yet another form of socialism. Don't say you weren't warned.)

Personally, I hope that somebody like you who's bright enough to see the pitfalls continues on to become a medical doctor. You'll likely have to put up with idiots bemoaning your high pay and tolerate punitive insurance premiums, but good people are needed in the medical profession.

Best of luck.

--Geoff

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Geoff
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So tell your fellow professionals not to screw up and insurance rates will go down. But instead you want government regulation. That is what I love about rightwingers. No government regulation allowed except to screw consumers.

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Art

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Full_Name

The Doctor's that complain about health insurance premiums are the last one's to want a competency ranking list posted for all.

If there were such a list posted, the AMA wouldn't be able to disguise the appallingly poor skill of some MD's.

Since we're on a Doctor / Lawyer rant here, have you ever heard a group of Lawyers b*tch that court results should be kept secret so that Lawyers with bad clients aren't punished? No Never.

It's a poor tradesman that blames his tools.

Yet Doctors seem to think that they should be able to hide poor practice behind "human variability". When in reality it's either incompetent Dr's, or experimentation on human guinea pigs who are too frail to "survive the treatment" (the MD should recognize before going down a given path the best course of action. After all they've got 8+ years of post grad training right?)

My plastic Surgeon has been practicing since 1964 & all of his work is word of mouth referral & cash payment, he's yet to be called to a medical review board for malpractice, and everyone I know that has gone to him has no qualms about using their lawyers for any complaints they have.

PS As a side note though I would think that a large # of those patients dying from medical mistakes are as a result of either understaffed nurses not having the time to carefully double check prescriptions to patients or lack of due diligence on the part of support staff.

Some Canadian Hospitals are providing patients with lists of their own medications so they can check that they're taking what they've been prescribed. (last think you want is an hemophiliac taking an Anticoagulant because someone didn't double check which bed got the heart medication & which the other medicine).

The main question is this though:

What kind of car is the Dr driving.............

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Full_Name

Wasn't the war on drugs a fund raising effort for the police forces?

I'm always puzzled when one drug ( for example powdered cocaine or rock cocaine ) is treated differently depending upon the target user group.

But I suppose whatever allows the police to strip search your girlfriends and frisk your wives to stop "evil dooers" has got to be good. :-)

Ahh... I should have gone into Law Enforcement..... The perks....

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Full_Name

I think that pretty much sums it up.

Thanks, I'm sure I'll be needing it when I'm all done with schooling.

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Phillip Schmid

I have no problems with suing IF the person can do a better job themselves based on the problems. I DO want legislature passed that'll limit the amount that can be gained. I think here in WI it's something like 100k, which is alot better then the millions that people seem to get.

I'm also not sure if you've heard, but doctors here in the US can choose to not see certain people. As a matter of fact I think in South Carolina some doctors have recently chosen not to treat lawyers and their clients that bring malpractice suits against them.

If it's so easy to tell people not to screw up and get it right then let's see how you do here.

A man injures his wrist on broken glass. Which of the following structures entering the palm superficial to the flexor retinaculum may be damaged?

Ulnar nerve and median nerve - A Median nerve and flexor digitorum profundus - B Median nerve and flexor pollicis longus - C Ulnar artery and ulnar nerve - D Ulnar nerve and flexor digitorum superficialis - E

I have a few more if you want to keep going too.

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Phillip Schmid

well seeing as flexor digitorum profundus is your deep muscle for flexion, that would rule B out I think. and as the Flexor pollicis Longus is a muscle of the radial side of the forearm that to my mind rules C out. Seeing as the flexor digitorum superficialis is a superficial muscle of the palmar side of the forearm I'll rule that E out. Seeing as the Ulnar is the bone extending from the elbow to the wrist on the side opposite to the thumb in humans that would rule D out I think.

I guess that would really only leave A Ulnar nerve and median nerve BUT, I could well be wrong seeing as I've got no training in that field.. However I suppose another factor to consider would be the trajectory of the glass and the persons definition of "superficial":

Do they mean: a) Trivial & insignificant. b) Concerned with only what is apparent or obvious c) Apparent rather than actual or substantial or d) being on or near the surface?

But you're reading a post from a person who's language training is not in medicine, but in the arts & engineering.

I'm not expecting my Jiffy Lube kid to know a Brachial Plexus from a Acromioclavicular Joint. But you know damn well I expect him to know the difference between engine oil & brake fluid when he's filling "reservoir's" under the hood of my car. Plus if it was your Car that had engine oil swell all the rubber in your braking system you would expect compensation and not think that your right to sue should be limited to the cost of a free oil change.

I expect the same from my medical "Professionals" I don't care if they know the difference between a stoichiometric fuel/air mixture & stichometric prose construction, but I damn well expect (and by the way, pay) them to know the difference between a Scapula and a Clavicle

Hence. the basis of lawsuits for shoddy doctors. I admire and respect competent professionals in all fields. I believe that incompetent & fraudulent characters from any field should be removed (*ESPECIALLY GOVERNMENT*) Lawsuits are an extremely blunt instrument but until we get to see MD's medical school grades and patient treatment reviews plus treatment results, it's all we've got to work with.

Want to stop lawsuits? Have a public rating system for doctors where people sign waivers acknowledging their understanding of their doctor's abilities & a "meat chart" for injuries (incorrectly amputated arm $50K, erroneously sterilization of a young woman $25K etc etc

just my $0.02

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Full_Name

I'm sure the lawyers won't mind taking the money of incompetent doctors who need a legal defense. Lawyers are much more fair-minded than incompetent doctors, in my experience. I have lots of doctor friends. Only 1 has been sued and it was for a relatively trivial amount and he admits a difficult patient and paper work screw up did him in. He hasn't made the mistake again. If a patient won't cooperate he shows him the door and he makes sure he writes all his notes down immediately.

By the way, about 5% of the doctors are responsible for almost half the malpractice awards. If the doctors policed themselves and took away those bad doctor's licenses your rates would go down by about half.

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Art

where I rambled, you were succinct Kudo's !

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Full_Name

It's D in case you were wondering. I was just using it as an example to show that medicine isn't as easy as some people think it is.

I do think that there is a way to find out stuff about your doctor. I can't honestly remember how but I think it has something to do with the licensing board.

I'm fine with people suing medical practitioners if they don't fix whatever harm they've done. It's the extravagent amount of money that people get suing doctors that I have a problem with. I can understand a little extra for pain. I remember reading of a case in Germany where a lady sued her doctor after surgery for leaving an instrument in her. I believe that she got $20k for pain/suffering and the cost of the surgery to get the instrument out. I think that's very reasonable.

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Phillip Schmid

I'm going to try to find that article, I don't think it was just the doctors that were being sued that declined to care for someone. I also think it wasn't for lawyers that just had one lawsuit under their belt but the ones that advertise it. I can't say that I really blame them though.

There's a doctor a bit away from here that has quite a few lawsuits lining up against him and because of those he's been under investigation by the licensing board. I also think that patients have the ability to complain to boards about their doctors. If there are enough complaints they investigate and revoke/suspend licenses.

Somewhere here in Wisconsin there was a couple whoms' child died during an illness. So they sued the doctor for misdiagnosing the illness (they won but they hit the $100k limit). I've heard of lawsuits where a doctor was sued after stopping at an accident to help it's victims. One of the questions that med schools ask is "If you drove past an accident without any responders there would you get out and help the victims knowing full well that you could be sued?" I'd be wary of getting out and helping knowing that if I screw up it's my head even if I save a life or lives. There is going to be a point where the lawsuits get so frivolous that people aren't going to consider going into that profession.

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Phillip Schmid

And if that doesn't work, make the drug laws sricter! And if the pushers don't want to be arrested, disarm the rest of society! And if money laundering happens, limit how much cash people can hold! And, hey, using drug money to mount a legal defense is *wrong*, so confiscate assets before they're convicted! And if they somehow get off the hook, make 'em sue to get their assets back! Hang on, the legal procedures to recover the assets are publically available? Tell the libraries to shred that!

See how much we can improve society by stamping out drugs?

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Joe Pfeiffer

Luckily for the public it looks like a medical career is not in my future ;-) I understand where you are coming from with regards to extravagant settlement amounts but those tend to be a result of Jury Awards.

Do you honestly think the people that are on springer every day can understand the difference between $100K & $1 million? After all it's only 1 more zero ;-)

I think that Judicial settlements (with the option of appeal) are the most reasonable approach.

Imagine you were the German woman with the medical instrument left in you. Your career was going to be lingerie model & your fiance left you after your 8 months of endless bitching about "the pain" You've now got a 12" scar across your stomach that every subsequent guy will see (and wonder about) the scar. This is assuming you've not got any ongoing pain which limits your sex life.

Does the value of a used mini van sound reasonable? I suppose where you live also plays a part. If you're in the middle of Alaska (or perhaps Alabama) $20K might buy you a nice house, but in New York It might buy you a dinner (plus perhaps a movie).

I'm thinking, keep the present system, lose the Jury awards and Thank GOD that I'm not a Doctor.

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Full_Name

I believe that in France and Canada people who stop to help a person in an accident cannot be sued for any non-intentional incompetence.

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Full_Name

I like your thinking Joe. Ever thought of a run for President?

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Full_Name

Art,

I got news for you - everybody screws up sooner or later. I don't mind a system where injured parties are reasonably compensated for someone else's mistakes. I do mind a system where an honest mistake become some sort of entry in to an enormous lottery.

Ed

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C. E. White

Yeah, most of the women I see on 'Cops' are ones I'd want to strip search....NOT!

--Geoff

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Geoff

Recently in NC there was a car stopped at a stop sign and a 50 year old tree fell without warning and killed the people inside. You don't cut down all trees because that happened once. There are all kinds of anecdotal stories out there about lawsuts. Most have been reversed on appeal and you don't hear that part of the story from people who want riduculous limits on lawsuits. When doctors do their job correctly they don't get sued.

incompetent

investigate

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Art

So you are saying that a jury of your peers is inherently unfair to doctors? You think somehow when someone gets jury duty they turn off their brain? I don't think so. Please provide a scientific explanation for your conclusion.

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Art

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