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I really only have one comment to make.... how is the Stock Market a big Casino that I "feed my money into so they can live like a Sultan"? I get mine too. GM pays a $.50/sh dividend each quarter. That is a pretty decent dividend, especially for an auto manufacturer. Their stock is on a decent rise from the fall of the market a few years ago. So I don't see how you are getting screwed on it here. Perhaps if you knew how to make Your Money Work For You, you wouldn't be so angry. This is a capitalistic society. Those who work for it are rewarded for it. Sure, Mr Wagoner may get paid a lot. Part of it may be greed, it may be he is worth it, it may be something else. But look at someone like Henry Ford, he worked tirelessly for years to get his auto company off the ground. He probably spent nights upon nights without sleep, working his ass off, and he was rewarded for it. He made millions, had one of the most powerful companies in the U.S., and there were people who complained about his ways. But I tell you what, if that man offered me a job, I would have taken it and never complained one bit about it. Some companies lie, cheat, steal, but it is our job to educate ourselves on what it is those companies do. Knowledge is the key to success in our world. If you don't like capitalism, I would suggest a country like Sweeden or Switzerland, perhaps even Cuba, North Korea, or Vietnam where everyone is equal (at least according to the rules of communism, but something tells me they are using that word a little loosely... I see dictatorship... but what do I know.) and gets equal pay based off their job description and gets equal food and gets equal housing and the same clothing. Then you won't have to worry about anyone making $14.7 million dollars a year, it will be like $100 a year. You won't have to worry about someone having 17 cows to your 1 or anything, at least in theory, but I am pretty sure in North Korea, they are lucky to have a cow (or ox). I do think some CEO's make too much money, and in a way I think some regulation should be in place, such as when American Airlines is cutting jobs, cutting pay, and filing bankruptcy but the CEO is giving himself a payraise and a bonus it seems a little backassward. Although by filing bankruptcy the courts will decide that stuff. But still. Kmart is another example, offering loans to top executive and pay increases and generous use of company equipment while closing stores and cutting employess instead of investing in the company which drove it into the ground. But I can't complain much cause such is the world of capitalism.

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Sijuki
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The homeless americans can get a J-O-B. I know its a rough situation here for some people. I know I am in one myself. But there are jobs. Truth is a lot of homeless people don't want to do anything. Thus if you don't want to work for it, you shouldn't get it. This isn't a vacation.

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Sijuki

Its called COBRA insurance when you get laid off or quit a job. Its expensive yes, but its insurance. Its not too shabby. You almost always get something in the mail after terminating employment in anyway. I know I always have. Plus I get offered the extensions on my insurance that I had with the company I worked for. You can buy insurance, there is just a cost. There are even insurance companies that will insure you regardless but you will pay a premium. ( a major premium, especially women due to the maintenece care).

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Sijuki

I've been laid off before and you're full of crappola! There are many health insurance options out there from many different providers that will write policies with different coverage options. Have you not looked for them?

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James C. Reeves

Spoken like a true republican.

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Hairy

If you mean stating the facts, you're right. You can get different types of insurance from many sources. They may not be cheap, but they're out there. And there are plenty of safety nets out there for those in dire straits.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

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Bill Putney

Dunno what's it's like in the US but in the UK quite a few homeless are mentally ill and need looking after and not instructions from warm and comfortable people on high to get a job. They're on the streets because the government closed many mental institutions and tipped the inmates into "Care in the Community", a well-meaning move that assumed these people had relatives who would take of them.

How many homeless have you spoken to or read about?

DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

Exactly true in the US too plus there are plenty of working homeless.

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Art

Let me give you an example of a safety net. There is low cost subsidized health insurance available in most states for children with no coverage. But it is limited and on a first come first serve basis. The demand is much higher than the supply, at least in NC.

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Art

Seems to me when highly paid GM management manages to go from 50% market share to 28% market share in a couple of decades, there is something wrong with the executive compensation system.

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Art

"Dori A Schmetterling" wrote

Although a certain number of homeless in the US are on the streets rather than in extended-care/half-way house situations, the vast majority are in other categories: 1) single-parent households (usually mother and children) that have been abandoned by the father, 2) low-wage transient laborers who don't have the financial capability to rent (or who are saving all their money and will move back to their permanent home after the work season), and 3) the congenitally un-employed/homeless that just like it - some of these are professional mendicants (ie, beggars).

Floyd

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fbloogyudsr

An arguement that could always be inserted into any otherwise intelligent discussion.

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Art

There are certainly other groups - I was only highlighting one group that grew substantially in the UK substantially at the point of closure of what were long-stay hospitals a few years ago. (It must be said that many of these buildings were inefficient and Victorian, but the government chose not to replace them.)

I am aware of some homeless who like it that way, whatever the reason, but I am sure they are a small percentage.

The rest don't want to be there.

DAS

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Dori A Schmetterling

Once again you have chosen to base your opinion on faulty information. The market has expanded from the vehicles available from around five manufactures in the US to the vehicles from around a dozen manufacture for all over the world. The volume of sales has grown from around 6 million annually then to around 18 million annually today. The fact is GM sells more vehicles today than they did back in the early fifties when they commanded

50% of all vehicles sold in the US.

mike hunt

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BigJohnson

We have some mentally ill patients, many of which, at least in Michigan, were given the boot to the street when we got rid of the last few 'insane asylum's' that we had in the area. The last one to close in the area was over 100 years old, but the state no longer felt like funding it. We have a few homeless that are mentally ill, but I don't forsee it making up a majority. A majority of the homeless, or I guess I should say beggars, are men. Some honestly want help and admit it. But others just want to booze themselves, they will ask for money for food, and if you offer them food they tell you to "F*%& off!". I don't feel much compassion for them. By no means is it easy being homeless, you have a heck of a hill to climb, but its possible.

As far as asking how many homeless I speak to or read about, I serve food to the homeless around the holidays those which most are very thankful for the warm food and warm place to spend some time and the good company. Many of them are men, some are women with children. Some are families.

My point isn't that homeless don't deserve anything, but there are people that give this idea that we should spend billions a year to feed and cloth and shelter homeless, when really we should be offering some sort of employment and perhaps low cost options to them. Not particularly free.

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Sijuki

| | Spoken like a true republican. | | |

And that makes it factually incorrect...how?

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James C. Reeves

Wow I'm surprised that this thread is still going. As to "what is the future? That's a hard one to answer as is often said "the future has yet to be written" any pandemic or planetary environmental change can shift people's views pretty quickly. Though the concensus seems to be (if things continue on the present path) a slow withering of the nation state and the rise of the city state.

But opinions of the future, as with A**holes are, one per person on the planet.

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Full_Name

And why is it that there is such a difference, that you notice the larger number of men? Is it that social programs are geared towards women? Is it that there is a larger percentage of men who are "mentally ill who have been thrown out of institutional care?

Or have we as a society made a large number of poor men "unemployable" through criminal convictions that are referred to as "youthful indiscretions" when they are done by the wealthy? Ask GWB & Bill Gates how their Drug infractions have hurt their access to capital and employment...... Just a thought.

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Full_Name

How about in the 60's and 70's. And are you including all of the companies overseas, because I don't think the readers of this thread were interested in the output of those factories.

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Art

I forgot to add that market share is just as important as total number of vehicles.

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Art

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