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You are much closer now, but the Wilmington plant was never shut down ... other than when the occasional hurricane threatens.

Matt

How do you separate the two (hint: you can't unless you settle as if you are guilty even if you aren't). Sounds like a semantics game to me. Jurys full of incompetent morons are *WHY* good MD's might ought to be scared of lawsuits.

Bill Putney (to reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with "x")

I appreciate that, Art. She's now married and has a son, and is the picture of health.

I'll take your word for it. That is unfortunate. Again, not making excuses for them, but you will find glaring examples of human fallibility no matter what the system. I guess you have to ask which system has the best balance of oversight and correction of problems, and still get results at a reasonable cost. I would agree with you that we are far from the ideal (similar to what Churchill said about Democracy being "...the worst form of government except for all the others").

You are correct with regards to how I posted what I posted.

What my logic was that moron juries deciding the financial settlement are the source of the problem. What I had intended was the notion that although we should still retain the Jury system for the guilt/innocence aspect, financial awards should be determined by financial experts. (to prevent the "grandma groin splash cash pay outs").

I don't think that most of us in this group would begrudge the old lady some compensation. I just think that for most of us a "sorry here's a free coffee" & we'll pay part of your medical bills should have sufficed"

The article indicates it was closed. Perhaps they just delayed outfitting it. Anyway, who cares.

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Watching the evening news and came across this which made me think of your posting. Thought you might enjoy:

Sep. 4 2004 11:15 PM ET Hospital didn't help ill people enter facility CTV.ca News Staff

A British.Columbia Canadian. family believes their daughter died because of hospital bureaucracy. Two weeks ago, Jessica Peace -- a mother of one -- had a drug reaction, stopped breathing and died in hospital. Her uncle, Jim Roberts, took her to the Peace Arch hospital in White Rock -- but not into the hospital. And he thinks she'd still be alive if not for the delay in getting her emergency care. "I honestly don't know why I didn't carry her in, but I thought when you went to a hospital they helped you," he said. When he arrived at the hospital, he left her in the car, ran inside and begged for help. "'My niece is in the car. She's not breathing. I need help,'" was his recollection. "She says, 'I'm sorry sir, you'll have to call an ambulance.'" Roberts was handed a phone and the desk clerk dialed 9-1-1. "I said, 'that's crazy.' She said, 'that's our policy, sir.'" The Peace Arch hospital insists it's not a policy, but that having paramedics to assist is necessary sometimes. "Removing somebody from an automobile and putting them on a stretcher, you need at least two people to do that," said Don Bower of the Fraser Health Authority.

The hospital said a nurse eventually did go out and give Jessica CPR while she was still in the car.

It agrees Roberts shouldn't have had to call for an ambulance himself and it is investigating the matter -- the second such investigation in just over a year.

In May 2003, an 88-year-old man died of cardiac arrest just outside the hospital's doors. Even the RCMP complained it took to long to get the victim help.

"It can't go on like this. More people are going to die," Roberts said, adding, "it's not the first time something like this has happened."

Lisa Trewern can vouch for that, saying, "the same thing happened to me when I took my mom to the hospital on April 3."

She said her mother had severe abdominal pains. While her mother survived, Trewern said she now regrets not having formally reported the matter: "They weren't willing to help me until I got through the doors." Jessica Peace's family is considering legal action while they take care of her son. With a report from CTV's Sarah Galashan

If a Lawyer was called in April 3, would the two subsequent deaths have been as likely?

Yes, but I am not sure if I 'enjoyed' reading about such sad incidents. In fact, I learned recently that the distant relative was twice refused treatment by the A&E (accident & emergency) dept of a Toronto hospital until he practically crawled in in great pain...

It's taken me a while to reply as I was away...a week was in hospital... :-)

DAS

Sorry, distant relative of a Canadian work colleague.

DAS