I have been sent, by different people, via my web site a photograph of a car and a photograph of a badge for identification. Can any of you help? The car has text on the rear hub but I cannot zoom the photo with enough clarity to read it.
The car is at
The message from "britishmm" contains these words:
No idea about the badge but the car could be a Model T Ford.
The Model T had a transverse leaf single spring front suspension, the vehicle in the photo has conventional fore and aft mounted springs therefore it is not a Model T. It seems more than likely to have been built prior to
1914, given that there were a huge choice of coach builders at that time a side on view is likely to be difficult to identify with any certainty.
Much bigger and more luxurious than the ubiquitous Model T, surely. I'm afraid all these Edwardians look the same to me if you can't see the radiator grill detail, but it does have the feel of an American coachbuilder about it - not that that tells us where the chassis came from. Someone out there is bound to recognise it.
The bonnet is rather short, which rules out the luxurious American models like Chevrolet and Cadillac.
If the zig-zag on the badge is a W, and the W is significant, I wonder if it is a very early Willys (of Jeep fame)?
Jim
Yes, my first thoughts were American, but I don't have much information on their manufacturers.
I've checked out Willys, their badge is a W in a red circle, see:
It looks very similar to the White touring car picture on wikipedia
The car pictured on
I think the car is American. Its Left Hand Drive for a start (unless the picture is reversed) and those costumes don't look European. The wheels also look wooden spoked.
The tyres are white. Carbon black was added from about 1912/13 so that would date the car before then.
I take it that the badge and the car are not connected.
Malcolm
In news:huSdnbxLWdNp8b snipped-for-privacy@bt.com, Malcolm wrote something quite bizarre, possibly in an effort to confuddle the world. It went like so;
American cars were very often RHD in the early days though...
White stopped making steam cars in 1911. They had started on petrol engined cars in 1909 with a Delahaye-based 20hp 4 cylinder and in 1912 offered a 6 cylinder, which the 'World Guide to Automobiles' reckoned was a 60hp job. It also says that car production was not resumed after WW1
Ron Robinson
True, but Left Hand Drive on cars of this age was pretty rare outside the US of A.
I asked this question as people are assuming the car in the picture starts with a W. britishmm in his original post says they were sent in by different people.
Malcolm
The car and the badge are not connected.
The owner of the car picture says that the people in it came from the UK and France and that she has had a suggestion that it may be a Talbot.
The badge comes from a gentleman in Sweden.
Now that I know that the badge need not be as old as the car, and is likely to be european, I started to think of european manufacturers who might use the letter W.
Wartburg?
Jim
Wartburg is certainly a possibility. The Wartburg script used on the cars has a very similar style of W. The badge I pictured may come from the vehicle interior (steering wheel boss). I have not been able to locate an interior shot to compare.
The badge has a very germanic symbol in the womans hand, does this help narrow it down?
Maybe a wartburg as anotehr poster advised.
TBH I doubt that it's a Wartburg batch - they didn't start making cars there under that name until the early 50s and that badge looks considerably older to me.
Wartburg dates back to the turn of the 20th century (1898-1904). The 1950s cars were a re-use of an old name. Dixi, who made the German version of the Austin 7, used Wartburg on one of the sportier versions in 1930.
Malcolm
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