As of one year ago, purchasing a weapon is damn near impossible much
less carrying one (in fact, jail time if you're caught with a firearm)
and a set of tax laws that would choke a horse. :-)
Here's the crime stats I eluded to in my other post in this thread:
Texas got CC in 1996. Interesting to see the numbers before and
Good link. Jersey is worse than I thought.
(1) Issuance of the permit is almost completely discretionary, and New
Jersey courts have upheld the policy of strictly limiting permits ``to
persons specifically employed in security work . . . and to others who
can establish an urgent necessity for carrying guns for self-
protection". While NJ does issue non resident permits, few are
allowed, and they are harder to obtain than a resident permit.
You have to provide a justifiable need to carry. I wonder if "I want
to kill the criminal before he/she kills me" will work?
Texas is pretty easy. Take a course. Written test. Range test. Pay
the fee and BLAM ... after they verify that you aren't a nutcase, you
can carry. $140.00 for a four year permit.
Nope.... one famous story was of a jewelery store owner applying for a
carry permit because he was carrying large amounts of cash to the bank. The
judge told him he should hire private security. The owner pointed out that
that would cost him almost his entire annual profits. The judge told him he
Though I did not read them all, it appears that AZ might be the
easiest state. Open carry state, no permit required to carry, as long
as a part of the weapon/holster is visable it is not consealed. CCW
course is 8 hours, about 65 bucks for it, pass the test and get permit
for 5 years.
For someone who travels, it is much easier to have a permit
from a state with reciprocity that gives you the freedom to
legally carry elsewhere. Of course, if you never leave
town, the easiest is no requirement. Personally, I don't
think there should be any restriction on a law abiding
person of age in any jurisdiction who has never been
convicted of nor is under official investigation or
indictment for a forcible or violent felony charge.
Agree about the carry part - but what makes it "damn near impossible" to
purchase one? I can buy any long gun I want whenever I want. Handguns are
a little different - gotta apply for a purchase permit, which takes my local
PD about twice the legal limit (statute says 30 days - usually takes 60+),
but that's far from an impossibility.
I was referring specifically to handguns. I should have been clearer.
Trying to remember from when I was there ... you have to file a
request for a permit to purchase. The area I was in, for a short time
was Princeton. First off, finding a gun shop was a challenge. Then
finding a gun shop with guns that were worth buying was even more
difficult. I never filed my permit to purchase as I ended up back in
Texas. My then boss, told me to move to PA if owning or carrying a
gun was important to me. He had been waiting for over two months for
his permit to buy. Last I talked to him, he never received his permit
I already had a carry permit from Texas ... which meant absolutely
nothing to anyone in NJ. I was told that I could apply for a NJ HL,
but that I would have to register my guns and supply a "need".
Do certain counties in NJ "add-on" to the state law?
Certain police departments do, yes. By law, handgun purchase permits must
be approved in 30 days (45 days for non-resident), unless a specific reason
exists for their denial. However, when that was challenged in court, the
court ruled that the need to ensure the person was not prohibited was more
important than meeting the statutory timeframe, and basically said the
investigating dept. could take as long as they needed to verify a person's
eligibility. The court was specifically referring to the time it took to
get fingerprint checks back from the FBI, but of course their ruling got
interpreted much broader than that.
My first set of permits, along with an FID card, took about 110 days (excuse
used was 'prints not back from FBI yet'). My second set of permits took
about 60 days (excuse here was 'county mental health check not completed
yet' [insert your own comments here]). The clock's running on this current
set... we'll see how long it takes this time around.
Boy - can't wait for the 'one handgun a month law' to get passed here (it's
coming like a freight train)... I can almost guarantee that we'll then be
restricted to applying for one purchase permit at a time - which will
effectively turn it into a 'one handgun a quarter' law. Because, as we all
know.... the criminals who are commiting all these homicides with handguns
apply at their local PD to purchase them from a licensed dealer. And the
fact that EVERY handgun purchased that way is registered with both the local
PD and the state, as to make/model/caliber/serial # - AND every private
person-to-person transfer is subsequently recorded in the exact same
manner... making it IMPOSSIBLE (need a roll-eyes emoticon here) to trace a
recovered handgun to it's last known owner....
But hey... it's all for the children.
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