Somewhat OT: Bad karma and social problems

Oz has not been kind to the Dak...

Mike

Suddenly, without warning, Mike Simmons exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:56 AM):

No, it has not. I've had more problems in the 4 months we've been here, than the previous three in England. I'm looking for the bubble wrap now :)

jmc

OPINION:

I can't help with the truck, but for explanation of the Aboriginal situation, their status is akin to that of the Native American ( Amerind) in that they've been mistreated over-run, subjugated, to the point of losing their collective sense of worth by the invaders of their homeland, the white man.

Living in the Southwest US, I meet many Native Americans and have met, over the years, a few Aboriginals that escaped the oppression. In both peoples they just want to live their lives in peace and harmony with their neighbors, as equals.

Interestingly, the liberals of both nations and Britain tend to overlook the rights of the native peoples.

Suddenly, without warning, Budd Cochran exclaimed (29-Oct-06 10:43 PM):

Actually, it's a good bit more complicated than that. The law supports Aboriginals - over-supports them often, due to Legal Aid - but certainly the history of what white Australians did to the Aboriginal is worse than what happened in the US. But many of individual's woes they brought on themselves - Plenty of Aboriginals have managed to stay out of the bottle and make good lives for themselves. But, as with the American Indian, too many have decided to hide in a bottle and live off the gov't, rather than take the harder road of overcoming history and becoming something more.

Oppression here is more on an individual rather than a gov't basis. Many Aboriginals have given up and are alcoholics, violent, thieves, beggars or all four, living in town and causing problems. Due to their culture, which scorns buildings - they much prefer to be outside - those individuals' problems are much more on display than any other culture. One has to work very hard to stay open-minded, and many white Australians in this town don't seem to be up to that challenge.

jmc

No, it's just the the "superior" species of man throwing its weight around.

When you destroy a group's collective soul, don't be surprised if it "hides in a bottle". Tell a man he's worthless enough times and he'll become worthless. The same is true of the Amerinds and the Abos as groups.

A few years ago, I had a chance to speak with a lady of standing in a nearby Dine' (Navajo) tribe and a Moab resident. I asked the one question that had never been asked of her people: "If the Whites had gone to the tribal council and asked to live in peace, share the land, and agree to work out differences without war, what would have happened?"

She looked me in the eye and said that most likely, if this had been done with all the Indian Nations then we would still be living side by side and in peace.

She and I discussed the drinking problem and we agreed it was because the American Indian is, in many ways, still a second class citizen, still under government subjugation. And they need to be taught to live without subsidy, taught they are of worth and the reservations need to be disbanded.

This lady was one of the thousands of Native American kids in the 50's that had been torn from their parents arms and fostered among the Whites, an attempt to force white ways upon the Indians. Since she has learned her people's traditions, laws and helped restore their original language and often works as the Dine' / White liaison in the local hospital.

I'm currently helping her youngest son get a Ramcharger 4X4 running again by teaching him things about auto mechanics no longer taught in school. He was sold an engine that had been converted point type ignition and he knew nothing about how they worked. The vehicle had been his dad's before he died from cancer. It's an honor to be asked help someone's son become a man.

Budd

oh yes, that question has never been asked before budd. the fact that it is discussed in so many history books aside, good job man.

well, thast it then. i mean if she and you said it, it must be. crud, we really messed up this one.

just another example of keeping the man down baby.

do you remember what was the leading "cause" or "movement" behind that action budd? i do. read up on it. you will find it very interesting.

very liberal of you.

Boy, do I feel a big chuckle on the way.

Have you ever studied Amerind history, or just the written-to-justify-the-action white history? Try "bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" for starters.

Well, it's apparent you wouldn't say it as your attitude right now is that you are very superior to me and possibly the Amerinds.

Something you advocate? Like in, "Keep the Christians down, baby"? How many murders does it take to be a murderer? How many bigotries to be a bigot?

Yep, to force the Amerinds into American WHITE society, regardless of what your WHITE books say.

Try talking to someone that is a child / grandchild of a Trail of Tears survivor, or one that survived those "fosterings" ( I know 4 personally, 2 men and 2 women) and their stories and experiences are close enought to reveal the truth.

No, just being a normal Fundamental Christian.

I have no doubt that you would find it funny, Roy. It's just the way you are, unfortunately.

Craig C.

Thank you, Craig, for proving my point so precisely.

well...........after reading ahead, looks like you weren't dissapointed.

at the same time, this "keepin the mad down" campaign is actually much easier on the eyes than the martyr one. i just wonder what crusade he will take up next? any bets?

'Cmon Craig ya gotta get some new stuff. But, it was effective.

Keeping "the mad down" (whatever the heck that means) is easy when you stuff the ones that start the arguments in a kill file, don't you agree?

Open one menu, click one box and no more argument . . . . .

Ah, you support Christian bashing, no surprise. . . . .

Roy ... per your request:

Craig C.

better!

you are right. it was meant to be "man", not "mad", which i think you knew, but sorry for the mistake.

while were talking again, why is it so important to you that i killfile you? you seem to beg me to do that an awful lot. does it just play well in your martyr syndrome or is it a face saving way of not having to argue with me any more?

either way, i have no intent of putting you in a killfile. i mean........why would i do that?

The question is not if you should killfile me but I should killfile you

again.

Bye.