Really? I suppose the fact that you identify here as wisynoil is
just a random coincidence, 'eh?
Bull shit. You claimed that Amsoil is the best oil.
Prove it by some means other than the ad copy generated by the
salesdroids at Amsoil.
How can an oil be "best" when the manufacturer can't or won't
certify that their oil actually -meets- a vehicle manufacturers
specifications? They weasel around it by claiming that their
product XXX is "recommended" for vehicles that require a
As you claim, yet you can't or won't point anyone to these
Okay, so how about a pointer to something documenting that the
oil that Walmart uses is crap?
You must mean this place?
WISYNOIL an Independent AMSOIL Dealer
based in Neenah, WI
And perhaps this thread?
Independent Amsoil Dealer - T-1 Certified
BUSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Google searches are so much fun!)
Now that is obviously NOT the only alternative. Nothing wrong with
Castrol GTX (or Syntec if you want synthetic) or Havoline, or
Valvoline, or Shell Ultra or Rotella, or a host of other fine
petroleum based or synthetic, or synthetic blend premium oils. You
don't have to go to the cheapest crap you can buy, installed by
brainless droids just to avoid Amsoil.
You keep yapping about all the testing that has been done to prove how good
amsoil is.... and yet when asked for just one link to an independent test
which comes up with the results you claim, you can't do it.
I think at this point it's safe to say that the people who don't buy into
amsoils lies aren't the ones with there heads in the sand. Instead it's
those fools who blindly believe amsoils claims.
And make the test something other than the 4 ball friction test, which
anyone who knows anything about tedting oil will tell you is the
easiest test to "rig" and really means little if anything, even at
I skimmed through them a bit. Didn't see any "tests" in there. I
remember a site that a guy with a Camaro did a test of his own with
Mobil 1 and Amsoil. I'll try to find it and see if he completed it. I
think his "thing" was how many miles he could get out of the oil before
it HAD to be changed.
Synthetic oil will give no advantage if the engine running regular oil
is already, statistically, outlasting the vehicle it is installed in
while running a non-synthetic energy conserving oil, changed at
Also, synthetics are NOT the oil to use in an engine that gets very
little use and never gets up to full operating temperature. This is
because the commonly employed Polymerized alpha olefin synthetics are
not particularly profficient at preventing corrosion.
They are also incompatible with some older elastomeric materials used
in seal construction (they do not cause the materials to swell - which
is a requirement of some older seal designs.) This means synthetic
oils are not the lubricant of choice for many older engines.
Also, synthetic oils and high lead fuels such as 100LL Av-Gas do not
play well together - meaning I cannot safely use synthetic oils in my
aircraft engine if I run 100LL Av-Gas (my aircraft engine is a
converted automotive power plant) unless I change the oil at 25 hour
intervals. Six liters of $10 per liter oil every 25 hours is NOT going
to happen. The alternative to 25 hour changes is NOT an option - lead
sludge buildup in the crankcase.
I'm not saying AmZoil is not a good oil. It is likely more than
adequate for a large majority of engines in daily use. But so is any
major manufacturer's synthetic offering, and MOST of the premium
non-synthetic or synthetic blend motor oils on the market today.
What I take issue with is the almost religous zeal of the vast
majority of AmZOil proponents who claim the product is better than any
other lubricant out there, for absolutely all applications.
This is patently untrue.
As for the "seal myth", it is NOT A MYTH. CURRENT seal materials are
not adversely affected, but do NOT run synthetic oils in a mid fifties
engine, or even some early seventies engines with either original or
NOS seals. The seals WILL harden, and they WILL score the shaft, and
they WILL leak. Not a problem with today's engines, but definitely
enough of a problem to make synthetic oils a "definite no-no" for some
older engines - which was my point. Synthetic oils are NOT
necessarilly the best for ALL applications.
A bypass filter will NOT provide the corrosion protection that is
lacking in synthetic oils, even if it did remove the water(which it
won't, as the condensation occurs as the engine cools down, when it is
NOT running, and therefor the bypass filter is not active) The only
way to get adequate corrosion protection is by running a "blend"
(mixing some petroleum based oil)
I do NOT need to run certified oil in a non-certified engine in my
home-built.And conventional oils stand up just fine to operation below
10,000 feet - and I can't fly higher than that without supplemental
As for all jets running synthetic oils, that is pretty well true, but
it is a totally different synthetic than what you run in your car.
Many of the jet synthetics are totally incompatible with petroleum
base stocks.Look up "diesters" or "phosphate esters".
PAO synthetics are the commonly used automotive synthetics, which
blend well with petroleum base stocks.
A rose by any other name would be as sweet, as the old Bard once said.
On Mon, 29 May 2006 13:46:48 -0400, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
From the Mobl1 wesbite:
Myth: Mobil 1 will leak out of the seals of older cars.
Reality: Mobil 1 does not cause leaks. In fact, new Mobil 1 was
tested in dozens of industry standard and original equipment
manufacturers (OEMs) tests to prove its seal performance. It is fully
compatible with the elastomeric materials from which all automotive
seals and gaskets are made. If an older engine is in good condition
and does not have oil leaks, Mobil 1 provides the same advantages as
when used in a new engine. ExxonMobil recommends taking measures to
repair the leaks, then using Mobil 1. ExxonMobil also recommends
following the automobile manufacturer's manual for the proper oil to
So you are wrong on that count.
Some current synthetics blend esters with the POA to provide the
protection (seal swelling) and some do not. Mobil one DOES. Nobody can
tell me for sure if Amsoil does - if they can't tell me what they have
done to get around the problem, I won't believe when they say they
have no problem. Just because Exxon/Mobil, one of the leaders in
lubrication technology world wide has addressed the problem does not
mean everyone has.
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