Our Leader will not hangar and throw away the key to his Boeing 747, the
worlds most fuel thirsty personal SUV. Think about that next time you
think its your duty to break our "addiction to oil." Mr. Bush is
ever-ready to remind us of our "duty," usually before he flies off in Air
Force One to deliver a self-serving political speech. His SUV will burn
more fossil fuel in one day's time than you could in your full-size Hummer
in 200 years.
The plan was to conquer Iraq, getting rid of bad guy Saddam, and pump their
oil into our pipelines. It didn't work, of course, despite the enthusiasm
to that plan by all the Iraqis, because our military machine is the biggest
single CONSUMER, not provider, of oil. Shut down the War and you will see
gas prices retrench due to the oil consumption savings alone.
If the United States government would invest a year's worth of
money-down-the-drain for this lash-out-at-anyone-illegal (all undeclared
wars are illegal to a Strict Constructionist) war, we could build the
coal-to-oil conversion plants we need to become energy self-sufficient.
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I don't understand your and many others' obsession with getting the US's (or
'the West's') hands on Iraqi oil as a justification for the invasion.
There was no hindrance to Iraqi oil flowing westwards.
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It actually made things worse.
Realistically I dont think most americans gave a rats ass about the
atrocities being commited against the Iraqi people by Saddams government.
Saddam would still be in power today if in 1990 he hadn't invaded Kuwait,
and instead started selling his oil, and even before that if he hadn't
started a war with Iran. But crazy Dictators tend to ruin things for
Iraq had a war against Iran - Iraq was supported by the USA for
several reasons - one of which was revenge because of the destruction
of the US embassy in Iran and the taking of the US hostages.
As Iraq fought Iran, Iraq's oil infrastructure collapsed and they
couldn't pump oil. Iraq struck a deal with Saudi Arabia and Kuwait:
They would pump Iraq's OPEC oil quota with their own oil, and give
that money to Iraq as a sort of loan.
Later, Kuwait wanted that money paid back, and started doing serious
things in the financial world against Iraq. Iraq told the USA that
they were going to invade Kuwait, and the USA didn't tell them not to.
The USA let Iraq invade Kuwait, because that would allow the USA to
"rescue" Kuwait and Kuwait would "owe" the USA for that. As a result,
the USA got bases and troops in Kuwait.
But wait. The USA wasn't done yet. Operation "Desert Shield" was a
ruse played against Saudi Arabia to get them to "invite" US troops in
to protect them. The US showed the Saudia's fake satellite photos
showing that Iraq was massing troops and tanks along the Iraq-SA
boarder. There was no such build-up, but the US needed to instill
fear and desperation to get the Saudi's to allow the US to station
troops in their country. The troops never left, and that was one of
the reasons why muslim/islamic anti-US sentiment built up and led to
the 9-11 attacks (the infidels were allowed into the holy land).
Operation Desert Storm had turned a friendly Iraq (ie Saddam) into an
enemy. What the US gained was a military foot-hold into Kuwait and
Saudi Arabia. Then they turned the screws on Saddam, but it was
taking too long and there was no obvious reason to commence hostile
action against Iraq, and eventually the USA invented a reason to
invade Iraq in order to install a US-friendly gov't (along with more
military bases). That situation has "blown up" in the face of US
planners, and it's not clear how it's going to play out.
The surrounding Arab countries have a lot at stake to see that it
doesn't work, for if it doesn't then the US would learn a lesson -
that they don't really have enough resources or the ability to
re-engineer a country (an arab country).
Iran is now handing the USA a reason to invade them too (uranium
enrichment) but it's too early to play that card right now. It can
wait until the Dem's have had their turn in the whitehouse (to put the
US back into financial order) after which the next republican
administration will invade Iran because the lax democrats have allowed
them to become a "gathering threat" against the US.
Meanwhile, US citizens are experiencing (effectively) a tax on
oil/gasoline that is equivalent to what CDN's and Europeans pay.
Instead the tax is going into the pockets of the oil industry, and
they can pay their exec's $400 million in retirement packages now.
Americans will have to just spend less at Walmart - and China will cry
Right again.. but then Saddam had been blustering a while.
LET?!!! Now that is taking things a bit far into the Whoo--eee-ooo realm
There wasnt? then what the hell did we do all that killing against?
Oh, those sad little Muslims!
Tell ya what... you had the things right there for a while and now you're
into "WE are the enemy" trilateral commission stuff.
You Pat Buchanan and Nomen... what a trio.
How about this... we deport any arab, persian, back to where they came
from? Sound reasonable? Then we dont have any troops in Islamic lands.
And we nuke the shit out of em if..
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price
you pay..DEAL with it!
Dont reply to a drive-by, with just more snark... take on somebody that
can debate you!
Like I said.. you started out with actual facts, though spun a little;
including April Glaspie, then took off into conspiracy-land!
If you aint the guts to take me and a couple others on here, then go hang
with your chums on DU:
the levers of democracy are too weak to take these traitors down. The
Criminal Bush Regime must be physically removed. The protesters in D.C.
need to push up against the White House gates in a mass mob to actually
threaten this P.O.S.
Enough said for now... I've just about had it, and this country really
needs to ORGANIZE and PROTEST!!! It's now high time to get SERIOUS.
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with no more ostrich-ized anti-
IMO it was the Israeli lobby that triggered the USA to make the big
mistake of attacking Iraq.
Saddam was openly supporting the Palestine terrorist bombers, paying
US$25,000 per bomber to their Mother's.
As for the Saddam war with Iran, the USA supported Saddam in that war.
Don't forget the USA was upset with Iran then after the Religious types
took over Iran and kicked the USA out.
The Kuwait war was history, but Saddam was increasingly attacking the
Kurds and the USA and British airplanes which were trying to protect the
Kurds, by establishing a no fly zone over them.
It just happens that about 60% of Iraq's oil is under Kurdish terrority.
"Terrorist" is Saddams middle name. Mostly perpetrated against fellow
muslims. However, it's been long established that Saddam had no ties to
Osama Bin Laden...one of Bush's reasons why we had to rush to war with Iraq.
Bush called him an "evil doer". About the only thing he got right.
12 years of U.N. b.s. is rushing? Odd, and not a very intelligent
statement. Once again - the U.N. was totally ineffective due to main
players(France, Russia) and Kofi Anan's son profiteering.
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address with the letter 'x')
I guess you didn't catch any of the news conferences where Bush said that we
HAVE to act NOW, no time for the inspectors to finish their jobs.
Oh well, if that's the only thing in my post that you can nit pic, I suppose
I'm ahead of the game.
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