UGLY, yes, but it would outhandle just about anything I could put it
up against, and the suspension soaked up the WORST roads.. With the
1300 engine it was underpowered, but the handling ballanced things
In those days the Renault 12 just like the Citroen GS had small
displacement ,high revving engines to give them a bit of power. This
was because the French government of the day taxed cars by engine
displacement, (cc in England, cubes in America) and not by BHP.
One thing you have to give most European cars, they have handling down to
I had a new '78 Corolla econobox, and I couldn't take one corner too much
over 45 mph. My roomate told me to take his '76 2002tii one day and I took
the same corner at almost 75!!!!!!!
The generations ahead of us thought the European cars were rough riding.
They though cruising the highway should feel like sitting on a living room
sofa stuffed with marshmallow. A couple of years ago my rental car in Las
Vegas was a Mercury Grand Marquis. It took some effort to keep it in a
straight line and not just wallow along the road, but the Old Farts love
them and the soft ride. .
On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:47:11 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
My favorite car I have on the road right now is an '89 Subaru GL coupe.
Wanna talk about driving by the seat of your pants? I LOVE it!
I also had a Chrysler LHS that isolated you from the road a bit more, but
not too much you couldn't feel it.
I like that, since it gives you more of an idea of road conditions.
The wife's Mercury Mystique is a real road car i n the european
model. Goes like stink and handles well.
Almost as good as the 67? Rover 2000TC my brother used to own - a real
4 door sports car.
It would not make a good rallye car though - not enough suspension
travel or compliance - and not enough ground clearance.
My old 88 New Yorker had a plush enough ride, but without the wallow
of the BIG american iron like the GrandMarquis/Crown Vic or Lincoln or
I drove a GM-Vauxhal in 1981 while I was in the UK. Nice ride. The
sister car n North America was a olds Firenza. The Firenza was a POC by
comparison. Only the same in shape. Parts were of lower quality, poor
assembly, wasn't the same engine nor tranny. Even the paint finish was
sub-par to the Euro version. Real poor vehicle.
The 1981 Firenza wasn't a Vauxhall. It was a Monza/Vega/Abortion. A
1972 Viva HC (Magnum) was a better car. It was rather "basic" but it
did the job, well, for a lot of years. ALso sold as a Firenza - but
Pontiac, not olds. And it was MADE in old Limey.
Vauxhall and Opel are really the same arm of GM where in England
Ellesmere Port, make all the Astra's for both Marques and Luton Make all
the vans for both marques. Factories around Europe make different
models like Germany produces the Corsa with both badges, It's just that
all the output of the combined factories make the full range and in
Britain all the cars sold are all badged as Vauxhall, whereas in the
rest of Europe the standard brand name is Opel. Where "Which?" Divides
cars into five categories from very good to very poor,Vauxhall/Opel come
out at the bottom of average.
And just when, for the information of others on this list, did that
LONG before the Escort came on the scene in England.
And the Vauxhaull/Opel is one of the best car lines you can buy in
Europe. They were not a BAD car on this side of the pond either - at
least not the Vauxhall. Never had Opels in Canada to any extent, just
like the US didn't get many Vauxhaulls.
My last Vauxhaul was a 72 Viva HC Magnum rebranded as a Pontiac
Firenza. GREAT little car.As long as you remembered it was a british
car, not a Pontiac, and serviced it accordingly.
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