Sad day for America

Agreed. Hard to sell raising taxes by 30% overspend year after year to bailout losers with bad credit ratings and don't pay their bills.

Hopefully after this is said and don't some stiff laws and hard nosed for abuse types can re-take control from the debt mongers. Pity we all have to pay for debt, welfare and perpetual abuse.

How many defaulters were helped out by the programs?

That whole thing was a scam. I looked up my '85 F150 on the web site, and it didn't qualify because the fuel mileage figure on it was 21 mpg. Anybody who has ever owned one of those knows that that truck never would get above 13 mpg on its best day. How many other vehicles were listed with stupidly wrong figures like that? (BTW - I never would have traded it in - I looked it up out of curiosity - plus I think the whole program was immoral.)

Ok, so tell me, what part of my comment is incorrect?

Want more government regulations? You have not seen anything yet, wait till the government totally takes over our health care in 2014.

It has already begun! The Government that CURRENTLY regulates trans-fats is trying to tax the "sugary" drinks that are killing our children.

Next will come smoking regulations. One local major employer announced today they will test all new workers for nicotine, if you have it in your system they will not give you a job because it will further increase their health care costs under the new bill.

Three major US manufactures are telling us their health care cost will go up by millions of dollars a year, which will lead to higher prices for their products. What next will they not employ any new employees who are overweight? The federal government will start controlling what we eat for the same reasons. Can government control of the use of alcohol be far behind?

Not only will the government be telling you what you can eat, wait to you see what happens to your privilege to DRIVE when they start to restrict driving, or what you can drive to reduce the number injured on killed on our highways.

I suspect we will see a new "1984" book written called "2084," total government control of the lives of all those still alive at the time. LOL

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I should have paid more attention to the dates. Sorry for the confusion.

The definitive refence matches yours. See

Toyota Corolla Honda Civic Toyota Camry Ford Focus FWD Hyundai Elantra Nissan Versa Toyota Prius Honda Accord Honda Fit Ford Escape FWD

New Vehicles Manufacturers

Toyota - 19.4% General Motors - 17.6% Ford - 14.4% Honda - 13.0% Nissan - 8.7% Hyundai - 7.2% Chrysler - 6.6% Kia - 4.3% Subaru - 2.5% Mazda - 2.4% Volkswagen - 2.0% Suzuki - 0.6% Mitsubishi - 0.5% MINI - 0.4% Smart - 0.2% Volvo - 0.1% All Other -

Mike,

Explorer SUVs weren't introduced until 1990 for the 1991 Model Year.

Ed

I don't know about your 1985 F150, but my 1992 4.9L Automatic F150 would average over 18 in mostly highway driving. Around the farm the mileage dropped to the mid teens, but my overall average for the 14 years I owned it was well over 16 mpg.

Ed

They regulate drugs, requiring that the meet certain purity and effectiveness standards. They regulate doctors, teachers and other professionals, requiring that they don't have a serious criminal history before they can go into the clinic or classroom. What a horror? What's next? Requiring that priests don't molest children? And what right does the federal government have to make sure that cars are safe? The nerve of the government.

That's a local employer taking its health-care costs in its own hands. Should we regulate that, too?

Well, if a business stops hiring fat people, isn't that the business's decision? Are you saying we should regulate businesses?

What if it is one of those three major US manufacturers? That would help lower their health-care costs.

That alcohol regulation would be good for you and stop your drunken rants.

Legally, I may not drive a tractor-trailer, school bus or motorcycle. You think this is a bad thing?

Yeah, right.

Mike, at least go read the list of most traded in vehicles. None were

Ed

Will you please stop it? Mike doesn't care about facts. If it exists in Mike's mind, that's good enough for him. Reality be damned!

Jeff

But that is mostly becasue people were trading in old trucks and SUVs. Ford sold more of those in the 90's than anyone else, so it isn't surprising that they were popular models to trade in. Wouldn't you like $4500 for a 14 year old Explorer? Or a 14 year old 4Runner? There were just lots of old Explorers out there. If I had one, I'd have traded it in.

Ed

In other words you think it is a good idea for the GOVERNMENT to control what or where YOU choose to eat, or what YOU choose to buy? How about where you live or what you say, is that a good idea as well? Try doing a search of the governments powers in Germany in 1939, dummy

You are even more of a lefty loon then I suspected. IF you were still alive in 2084 you likely would be first in line to buy the book. Do you realize some of the outrageous things predict in 1984 already have, or soon will, come to pass....dr_jeff?

Wait a minute! Can we combine those two concepts? Can we pass a bill bar people who smoke from being in the government . . . and make it retroactive? All in the name of promoting good health you understand. :)

Mine has the 4.9, but the granny gear transmission. The lists didn't deal with any options such as that, so it was a one size fits all oversimplification.

You're talking about the proverbial "slippery slope". The problem occurs when there is no discerning between what is minimally necessary in the sense of "That goevernment is best which governs least" (first written by Thoreau in his essay "Resistance to Civil Government").

Consider the contradiction between the ideas of "keeping the government out of my bedroom" (talking about gay rights and other sexual subjects) or "Keep the government's hands off my uterus" (the feminist/pro-abortion crowd) and being for single-payor (government) healthcare, in which the gubmint essentially in many respects owns your body and knows everything about you (to use as they will).

Stop confusing him with facts. He's a Republican.

There are many bright Republicans (all of whom are outside this newsgroup).

Regulate and control are too different things. I don't think it is a good idea that quacks with names like chiropractors, homeopaths and naturopaths can sell their snake oil - unproven and sometimes dangerous treatments. The free-market economy didn't work so well with the mortgages, did it?

You mean the Germany which the US was fighting when my father and three uncles entered the war? The one the claimed my uncle's life?

Not all regulation is bad.