Re: GM Dealer Challenges the Toyota Tundra's Ads... AS BULL

It's like the difference between a V6 and a V8, it's not like you're buying two engines as in buying the smaller version and upgrading later. IMHO most buyers opt for the the diesel instead of the V10, take a look at that upcharge....

In a perfect world than might be true. However, here in the real world it isn't, but you probably already knew that.

Ed

Actually, I think for most commercial truck buyer, the V-10 is not needed. Unless you are towing very heavy loads in hilly terrain, the

5.4L is more than adequate. And if you are towing very heavy loads in heavy terrain, you need the diesel.

Ed

I would, except Toyota is trying to create the impression that the new Tundra is a heavy duty truck. If you want to compare truckls intended for people pulling boats to the lake or small trailer, I can do that. However, the Toyota ads are trying to create the impression that the Tundra is a serious work truck. If you want a Ford serious work truck you should get an F250, not an F150 (although F150s are very good trucks). The Tundra line now competes with the whole lower end of the Ford Line in my opinion from a stripper F150 to a crew cab F350. YOu need to compare similarly equipped trucks. in some case that means comparing the Tundra to an F150 and in other to an F250. Of course as soon as you throw the F250 into the comparison, the Tundra comes out looking very weak, so Toyota won't make that comparison. Toyota wants it both way - the y only want to compare there trucks to the other guys 1/2 toms, while trying to give the impression that it has the capabilities of 3/4 ton trucks. As I said before, If I wanted to tow

10,000 lbs, I'd get an F250/F350 even though an F150 is rated to tow that much.

Don't forget that both Chevy and Dodge offer more powerful diesels as well.

No one supplies gas mileage figures for trucks with a GVW over 8500 lbs, CAFE doesn't require them to be reported. The Ford V-10 and Chevrolet 6.0L V-8 are only available in HD trucks with a high GVW, so the gas mileage is not reported. Dodge does sell the "Hemi" in 1/2 ton trucks, so they report the gas mileage for that:

Tundra 5.7L V-8 Automatic - 14 city / 18 highway / 16 combined Dodge Ram 1500 5/7L V-8 Automatic - 15 city / 19 highway / 17 combined

None of the Tundras have a GVW over 7200 lb, so they have to report gas mileage. Of course with a GVW of only 7200 the Tundra has a limited payload capacity compared to any HD truck. So, it is obvious that the Tundra ads that try to create the impression that Tundras are a Heavy Duty truck are miss leading.

Ed

The Nextel cup has nothing to do with the "real" world. Nothing in those cars has anything to do with a "stock" car in any meaningful way.

Ed

I don't see the 8.1L listed as an option for a 2007 GMC. Where did you see it?

Ed

I don't understand what you are trying to say now. According to the ordering guide, if you get the 4.2L V6 with an automatic transmission, you get an auxiliary transmission cooler (apparently, you normally don't get an auxiliary transmission cooler at all with the V-6). If you get the 4.6L or 5.4L V-8s you get an UPGRADED radiator and an UPGRADED auxiliary transmission cooler. So with either V-8 and the trailer towing package, you get an upgraded radiator and an upgraded auxiliary transmission cooler (one of the V-8s is required to get the upgraded components). For the V-6 with the trailer towing package you get an auxiliary transmission cooler (you can't upgrade something that wasn't included in the first place). Go look at the complete ordering guide and things should be clear even to you. And I have already pointed you to an actual truck on a dealer's lot that included the trailer tow package and a V-6 engine. Wasn't that enough for you? Are you so dense that you can't recognize that you have the facts all screwed up?

Ed

Perhaps not, perhaps yes. But consider the power plant, a 358 cid cam in block 2 valves per cylinder , push rods, and a single 4 barrel carb pushing a 3400 pound car upwards of 220 mph, and toyota cant get enough horsepower out of their engine. And a lot of what goes on on the track does find its way into cars..

Whitelightning

Right here. What a URL! Anyway, just build a 2500HD and when you get to options you'll find it. Did a "Tiny URL" it's at the bottom.

?fromColor=true&make=gc&style=WT%201SA&zip=75081&driveType=2WD%20&boxSize=Long%20Box&subModel=2500HD&boxSizeId=21&makeId=012&cabSize=Regular%20Cab&cabSizeId=1&model=Sierra&styleId=WT%201SA&subModelId=31&year=2007&modelId=013&pvc=61391&driveTypeId=7&&vehicleModel=/images/gmbp/48012/vehicle/2007/med/31_8555_c1_b21.jpg&exteriorColorChipUrl=/images/gmbp/color/chips/ext/med/8555.jpg&interiorColorChipUrl=/images/gmbp/color/chips/int/med/69C.jpg&exteriorColorId=41U&interiorColorId=69C&seatTypeId=AE7&colorOptions=41U^69C^AE7&exteriorColor=Onyx%20Black%20&interiorColor=Dark%20Pewter%20Cloth%20&colorVisited=true&inValidOptions=&brand=sierra&imageNameExt=_c1_b21&site=&originatingBrand=sierra&iPi=2&fPi=3 Al

So my 2009 Impala will have a 4-barrel carb? Right.

"Back to the Future - NASCAR Style"

What goes on at some race circuits may find its way into cars but NASCAR isn't one of those circuits.

Audi was winning in Europe last year with a DIESEL! Now, that's cool!

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:42:54 -0400, C. E. White rearranged some electrons to form:

Well, at least he didn't claim that the 1st digit of the VIN indicates how much of the trailer hitch was made in the US, for a change.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:16:34 +0000, Whitelightning rearranged some electrons to form:

True, but Toyota is not going to sell a carbureted pushrod engine in any car or truck model they make, ever.

Same for the Detroit-3.

3b$1@kcnews01...

Thanks for the link. I am confused. If I go to

select

2500HD or 3500HD from the horizontal menu bar and then select engine choices from the vertical menu bar, they don't show the 8.1L V-8. Likewise, if I pick the Specification menu item from the far left menu, then select 2500HD or 3500HD from the horizontal menu, the only engine options listed are the 6.0L Gas Engine and the 6.6L Diesel. Even stranger, if I pick the "Build Your GMC" Menu Item, select 2007 and then pick the model drop down box, I don't see a choice for the 2500HD or 3500HD, only the 2500HD Classic or 3500HD Classic models (hold overs from last year). Weird. Yet your link clearly goes directly to a 2500HD (not classic). Finally, Edmunds.com doesn't list the 8.1L V-8 as an option for 2007 GMC 2500HD or 3500HD (not classic) but they do list it as an option for the "Classic" models.

Weird.

Ed

messagenews:460285b2$1@kcnews01...

In your dreams. Nobody builds engines with carbs any more. Toyota doesn't sell any push rod engines in the US. Nextel cup cars are highly regulated versions of a 1972 Chevy Winston Cup Car. The suspension is a many times revised 1965 Ford NASCAR front suspension, and the rear suspension is a highly refined 1970 GMC truck coil spring suspension with a refined Ford 9 inch rear gear. Nobody builds anything that crude for a road car. The cheapest Kia you can buy in the US is more technologically advanced than any Nextel Cup Car. Nextel Cup Cars are highly polished turds, but they are still turds. And now, all the turds have to fit the same turdplate (i.e. template). If it wasn't for the decals, you would not be able to tell the cars apart. NASCAR has degenerated into WWE on asphalt. The money is good, the racing is fake.

Ed

Big Al wrote: >

The Dodge site now shows the Mega Cab as only available for the Ram 2500 or 3500.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That happened because the President, and many Republicans, wanted to move to the 'center' to gain Dimocrate support. Too bad they did not realize the only thing the Dims wanted was to get back in power, not do what is right for the country. If you doubt that look at what they are doing too the county, now that they are back in power.

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mike

Aw, geez, not this shit again.

If you think your statement does not apply in spades to the present administration (not saying whether or not it applies to any Dems) you're just as stupid as I always thought you were.

nate

Mike Hunter wrote:

The big question is, why would you want a v6 f150?