Mike: The only car I have seen this listed on the window sticker also
had the remote starter option. I think you can get it independent of
the remote starter. It would be useful if you are having trouble
finding your car in a big parking lot. Hit the lock button and listen
for the beep. What I find suprising is that they don't just include it
and bump the price of the remote locks or remote starter. $50 is a
pretty cheap option.
It's possible that Buick and Pontiac are different then. I recall
that "Remote start enabler" and "Remote start" were distinct options
on my car when I ordered. Looking on www.edmunds.com I see that the
"Extended Range remote keyless entry" listing for the Lucerne has the
RPO AP8, which is the required RPO for the GM accessory remote-start
kit. Looking on www.edmunds.com at the Grand Prix, the AP8 option is
listed as "Remote start enabler", so it appears that the Buick and
Pontiac option serve the same purpose, they're just labeled
It's not an option for JUST extending your RKE range (from 60 ft. to
492 ft. according to my GP's manual), it's also required for the
future addition of the GM remote-start package if it was not equipped
with it from the factory.
I can vouch for the range, I walked out of a store that had its own
entrance, and essentially its own parking lot (though a large lot at
that), and was parked at pretty much the farthest point I could be in
that lot from the entrance to the store. Did the sequence needed for
a remote-start and the car cranked right up, verified by the parking
lights lighting up.
I guess that it could be both a requirement for adding on a remote
starter as well as a range extender with a factory installed remote
starter. I have seen 8 or 9 window stickers with only the remote
starter listed and only one with the range extender. The one with the
range extender also had the remote starter option. I worked in a GM
dealership for 30 years and it was always difficult to determine what
was actually included in an option. There was a fleet book that used to
have a full description of each option. I guess I need to find one of
these books and see what it says.
Considering the RPO for the "range extender" (as you call it and as
Edmunds calls it for the Buick) is required for the remote start
accessory sold by GM, I imagine that it's included as part of the
remote start option when the vehicle is ordered from the factory with
I'm not trying to argue what you say you saw, but it may be possible
that the car you saw was ordered with only the RVS (remote vehicle
start) prep package (or extended range RKE) and the dealer added the
GM accessory remote start system when it arrived. They then printed a
new sticker with that as a "dealer installed option". I did a
gmbuypower.com search of the dealer I bought my Pontiac from (they
also sell Buick), none of the Lucernes had both remote start and
extended range RKE listed, actually, only one or 2 that I looked at
had the actual remote start installed. I also looked at the Lacrosse
inventory, like the Lucerne, they all had either remote start or
extended range RKE listed, none listed both.
Just went to build a Lucerne on Buick's site. Selected a CXL, added
the "Driver confidence package", which includes AP3 (remote vehicle
start) and the ability to add extended range RKE goes away, it WAS
listed an item or 2 below the package I selected, when the page
refreshed after selecting the package, the option was gone.
Mike: You are correct. I went back and looked at the window sticker on
the car I thought had both but it only has the extended remote not the
remote start. With the remote door opening option it says the range is
30 feet. The write up for the remote start lists 200 feet. It makes
sense that the normal remote key fob only works when you are close to
the car and in order for the remote start to work you have to be a lot
I also tried to select remote start and the extended option goes away.
Thanks for setting me straight.
No problem. Maybe the Buicks have a shorter range, or the "add-on"
remote start has a shorter range, but Pontiac lists the range as 492
feet. Now that I think of it, that's also the range for the RVS-prep
option on the Pontiac. My doors will unlock from that range, and
lock, since the sequence needed for a start is to press the lock
button then hold the start button.
This is slightly inaccurate:
"The new RI-GM-1 interface works with GM vehicles that come with a
factory installed remote starter. These factory starters have a
performance range that is limited to less than 150 feet*".
Of course, the * indicates that range is dependent upon vehicle and
conditions. I can't imagine that the GP would have a 500 foot range
and a Malibu or some other vehicle, with which the GP shares remotes,
would only have a 150 foot range. Yes, the remote is a standard part
across all GM vehicles that have the remote start feature, so why
wouldn't the receiver and range be the same?
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:46:01 -0500, "parklights"
You end up using the Astroflex remote to control your vehicle. The
factory remote starters are controlled by and limited to keyless entry
range. The Astro module controls all funcions of the factory keyless system
and is a simple installation. If you have ever tried to start a factory GM
remote starter from inside a concrete building, you may want to look at this
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