You don't feel safe when the ABS activates because you don't know how to use
it and possibly that you don't know how to drive in snowy conditions.
Read your owner's manual and search the 'net on how to properly operate a
vehicle with ABS. Then, do like any good driver, find an empty snow covered
parking lot and mess around for an hour or so.
To be fair Steve - I have both vehicles with and without ABS. I have no
trouble stopping in the snow or ice with my vehicles that don't have ABS.
It's not a necessary piece of equipment for safe driving, nor is it an
improvement over non-ABS equipped vehicles. The OP has a point that non-ABS
is often much better than ABS in certain conditions. I drive in a lot of
snow in upstate NY, and I have 35 years of driving experience to back up my
claims as stated. ABS has some very well documented problems with
conditions such as snow. One wheel is enough to throw the whole system into
ABS with the result being very prolonged stopping distances.
My 96 s10 with ABS scares me to death when its slick. Once the ABS kicks
in and groans, it takes forever to stop. I thought about disabling mine
in the winter also. I think there was some shop bulletin on it.
It should be recalled. Its dangerous.
Well when i am going about 5 miles a hour and going through stop signs
into traffic I think its proof enough. Sure, i can steer. If i am lucky,
i can steer it away form crashing.
ABS LEGAL BATTLES & RECALLS
General Motors and Chrysler have both had their share of ABS legal
hassles. The RWAL rear-wheel ABS system manufactured by Kelsey-Hayes and
used on various 1989 to 1996 Chevrolet and GMC trucks has been under
investigation by the NHTSA for a variety of complaints including loss of
pedal, excessive pedal travel, failure to stop the vehicle under certain
conditions, and excessive front pad wear. Since 1994, NHTSA has
reportedly received over 10,000 complaints on ABS problems with GMC and
Chevy trucks. A class action suit filed against GM and Kelsey-Hayes on
behalf of owners of these vehicles was dismissed August 1, 1997. NHTSA
has taken no action of its own, but GM did do a voluntary recall of 1.1
million Chevy and GMC trucks with the Kelsey-Hayes EBC4 ABS system. The
recalled models include 1991-1996 four-wheel drive Blazer, Jimmy, S-10
and GMC Sonoma, 1992-1995 Chevy Astro vans and GMC Safari vans, and
1993-1996 G-Series vans.
All that proves is that it was very slippery. It does not mean it was caused
by ABS. It does not prove it would have been less sliding without them.
You have to realize that ABS keeps the wheels from locking up so you can
maintain steering control while braking. It does not give more traction. It
does not enhance driver's brain cells.
I was just thinking, Nate, that I really know nothing about this either. I
have, and have had ,
several cars with ABS systems. I dont have any complaints at all, making me
wonder if I
have missed something.
I have driven in all sorts of weather using these systems. But usually I
slow down under
bad conditions, and dont push the envelope. Maybe that is the difference.
IME, *MOST* ABS systems work well under *MOST* conditions. But to
abuse someone because they have issues with the particular ABS system
that they have in their car is stupid, because they are not perfect.
Some less so than others.
In general, it seems that with every passing model year they get more
sophisticated and better able to deal with difficult conditions, but
there will always be some that are better than others.
Funny - I was just thinking about this thread too. I'm on record as not
being infatuated with ABS, though I really have nothing against the system.
I drive both ABS and non-ABS vehicles and find no real difference between
the two - except that one tickles my foot when it's in use. I wonder how
much people begin to swear by something such as ABS simply because they can
tell it's activating - they feel the pulsing. Suddenly, "ABS certainly
worked - it made me stop in time", when non-ABS probably would have just as
well. The skid tests I've seen comparing the two really don't show a lot of
difference between ABS and normal use non-ABS systems, so I often think that
more of the "value" of ABS is a perceived value in the owner's mind.
No, there are some thing I know but this is not one of them. There are some
people that make up their minds and think they know. So you had a slippery
road. Without doing a comparative test, you cannot say for sure what the
difference is. Your subjective idea is certainly not proof of anything.
No sense in continuing this discussion as I'm sure neither of us is going to
change our minds. Nor will I stoop to name calling.
Insinuating? No, I meant exactly what I said and it applied to all drivers,
including me. . If you are sliding through a stop sign, you are driving too
fast. If that happens to fit you, take it as intended. Last night, a
co-worker's daughter was in an accident and broke her leg. Cause? Driving
too fast for conditions on a road with ice. That is a fact, not name
If I am driving an ABS equipped vehicle at, say, 20 MPH and cannot stop,
and I can drive the same vehicle in the same conditions WITHOUT ABS at
30 MPH or more and CAN stop, the problem is not me, it's a defective ABS
The obvious solution is to not buy vehicles with defective ABS systems,
but you can't always take a vehicle for a test drive in bad weather
before you buy. Hence, I assume, the reason for the OP's post.
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
I just all and all hate ABS period, the 99 Jimmy we have I've disabled it,
the 93 jeep dont have it thank god, and the 90 grand am dont either, good
thing, I've driven many cars with it (2001 Jeep Cherokee) and I didnt like
I hope you NEVER have an accident with it disabled. Your insurance
company will hang you out to dry if they find out it's disabled. Plus
they may sue you if there is anything on the policy like a discount for
the ABS being there.
I know a couple folks who went though it. By the time the other
insurance company got through with them they ended up totally broke and
the man (he was the one who disabled the ABS) served 2 year in jail for
WHY? The other insurance company proved that he had knowingly disabled
the ABS unit and they brought in a couple of experts who testified that
IF the ABS had been active that the accident wouldn't have occurred
because the driver could have steered around the stopped vehicle.
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