G.M. and Ford Stuck in Neutral ---NY Times

Salesman is hardly the proper description for the folks that first meets at a dealership today. In fact 'greeter' of 'finder' would be a better description. The one that first speaks to you is rarely ever the one setting the price you pay. Sales Mangers set the selling price. The F & I guys determine the most important price, the drive home price. How many times do you hear a person saying I only paid $XX,XXXX for my "Pepmoble RX," when it fact they are paying far more when you ask the monthly payment and the number of months they are paying that amount and add back in the trade amount. ALWAYS compare drive home prices BEFORE you decide which vehicle to buy WBMA

mike hunt

John Horner wrote:

John Horner wrote:

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DustyRhoades
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Ask Honda, their numbers are down LOL

mike hunt

John Horner wrote:

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DustyRhoades

You just described my 1987 Turbo 5-speed T-top Nissan 300ZX

Reply to
Paradox

I actually work in a dealership where the owner comes in at least once a month, the vice pres is also a co-owner.

After that theres the new car, used car, fleet, service, and body shop directors, then theres the body shop manager, and then there's me.

Being only 4 rungs down from the very top isn't that bad.

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Paradox

It's a shame that they stopped making the series, actually. Very nice little sportscars.

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Joseph Oberlander

You got a point there. That car was canceled, and really, wasn't a good seller. They let it stay dead for a long time, too. There's more to it than that, isn't there.

GM and Ford both make a lot of snappy rear-drive sedans overseas. So Ford imported the Sierra from Europe, a really good car, and popular over there. It was marketed badly and a total flop. The car probably would have been a hit here, more Ford's fault. Now GM has imported an Opel as the Catera (did okay) and now recently the GTO. The GTO is also a flop, but again, the car is a tour de force of engineering. It just shows that there's a lot more to it than good suspension and drivetrain.

Trouble is, I really don't want the products they make here, but when the import something, I don't want that either. But when they build a new factory to make a rear drive sedan in the US, (like the CTS) then I like them. Generally, everything they have that actually looks like something is WAAAAAY the heck too expensive. Not the CTS, though, it's cheap. I haven't bought one or anything, but that's one product where I can't find an obvious flaw.

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Joe

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