Toyota finds a marginality and voluntarily recalls the cars to fix it.
No big deal. Ford had a massive problem with engine control modules and
fought against a recall for years. It finally took a California court
going against them to get Ford to do the right thing.
( http://www.yourlawyer.com/articles/read/8735 )
Every company is going to have some problems get out there. The
question is, does the company stand up and deal with the problem or do
they rope-a-dope their customers?
I am still waiting for the GM 3.4 L intake manifold gasket repair recall!
Didn't Toyota reduce the maximum oil change interval to 5,000 miles
because of this? Ford did the same for one model year (1995?),
reducing it from 7,500 miles, probably because some of their engines
were burning too much oil.
For my 1980s Corolla, Toyota allowed 10,000 miles between changes, not
that I ever let it go even 1/3 that far.
What does that prove? You can mostly likely find a lot of people in your
area, or Washington State or any other state, that have never seen Paris.
I've seen Paris as well as a half dozen sludged up engines, in just one
fleet, that had the problem, one even required and engine change.
Use you head no manufacture will ever warrant for neglect. The original
Toyota warranty, like every other warranty, even states that fact. It is
not usual for problems to first show up in fleet cars, because fleets and
fleet service center like ours, service large numbers of the same kinds of
vehicles, that can quickly accumulate mileage. Fleets were the first to
see gasket problem occurring in GM, Chrysler, Honda Toyota and Ford vehicles
when asbestos was taken off the market, as well.
Actually it was eight years, unlimited mileage. But only after blaming the
problem on owner neglect, until the problem began to show up in engines
serviced at dealerships. And yes many manufactures have offered extended
warranties, including GM ;)
The proof is self evident. Toyota issued numerous TSBs, change the head on
all effected engines, built as of August of 2003. Switched to a synthetic
oil recommendation. Extended the warranty to eight years unlimited mileage,
on engines with the problematic head What more proof does anyone, but a
true diehard apologist, need? Toyota is no better than any other
manufacture, they too make some that are not up to snuff on occasion. Even
sometimes a lot of them, that are not up to snuff. The most recent large
recall proves it. ;)
The problem is.....I want independent sources for this. Not that my dealer
would lie, but I have questioned them at length about a possible sludge
problem. They have told me all the TSB & recalls that applied to my vehicle
so far. They have had sludge cars in their facility, that according to
them, one owner never changed their oil at 67000 miles. I just wonder for
my own satisfaction if I should pull the valve cover off some weekend and
have a look.?? or do synthetic.
You can go to this NHTSA site http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/ and
click on the "Technical Service Bulletins" link and search TSB's yourself or
click on the "Recalls" link and search recalls.
You can read for yourself how to determine whether a vehicle has engine oil
gelling or not.
I am not aware of any cases of oil gelling in an engine that has had its oil
changed every 3,000 miles. The cases I am aware of had all had extended oil
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