Toyota blames costs, not UAW, for NUMMI pullout

That's impossible to know. If you watch Barratt Jackson, the percentage of them commanding premium prices is very high. If you don't know what Barratt Jackson is, then you should put the mouse down and move away from the computer.

You should consider stepping back from the crack pipe too.

In that case, Ed P's comment about "bodes" is meaningless, unless he has data about original body work. There might be rules about that in certain car shows. I don't know. I'll wait for his response rather than guess.

Why should I move away from computer if I don't know what Barratt Jackon is?

You're even angrier than usual today.

Where, old man, do you get your statistics?

In 2007, 16.15 million light vehicles were sold in the US, according to the NY Times. That was down from 16.58 milllion in 2006.

If you can't get the basic statistics right, why should be believe anything else you say?

Jeff

That would require comprehension on Mike's part. Something that is not in evidence.

Jeff

No since? Since means after, as in, Mike makes no sense since he started drinking again.

Where do you get your 2% figure? What does that mean? 2% of vehicles have any problems? 2% of vehicles have a problem that is severe enough to cause it to be returned under the lemon law? Only 2% of your brain is working?

Jef

You'd have to clarify the category. There are shows specific to certain makes, certain year ranges, and original versus custom. In a custom category original body makes no difference. I don't know the rules of restorations. I do know that if a car is 100% original, it is valued far more than a better looking car that has a lot of replacements.

My brother won quite a few shows with a Model A that was 100% original (except for tires) and had the bill of sale and bills from service in the

Getting back on point, one reason you don't find older Japanese cars in shows is because no one really wanted to bother keeping them. They had bland style, bland performance, needed a lot of body upkeep, little appeal to a collector.

Old man, the jobs bank was suspended. Try to keep up.

I understood what you said clearly. However, appartently GM and the unions didn't, because they make cars with less than 70% US content. Perhaps you could cite evidence that these contracts exist. Because I don't think you have a clue about what you're talking.

Jeff

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Back to name-calling? How kindergarten of you.

Jeff

I know one guy who has a collector car. 196x Vette. He loves to go to the shows and meet his friends there. I can imagine one doing the same thing with any collector car.

Jeff

In the Custom category, the original body work is almost always EXPECTED to not be original.

I don't know the rules of

Exzactly.

I'm not sure your point on the Japanese cars is accurate.

There are plenty of Japanese cars that are worthy of restoration, but the problem they share is that they don't have the history of the early American cars. There are many Mercedes Benz cars that are worth restoring. Japan brought us the Datsun 240Z, and the 2000, and the 210 and a few others. Toyota gave us a few that rank pretty well on the Restore Scale. I would agree that there are more American cars that get restored, but there is wide appeal among restorers for foreign metal.

A 240Z was bland? :-)

But only 6 of them were sold compared to the hundreds of thousands of Celica and Corollas

May the Good Lord strike me where I sit. Joe is right.

Japan has given us many exciting models that are worthy of restoration, the

There are many would argue about that one. I had a 2001 Jeep Wrangler. Great vehicle, never any problems. Figured Chrysler was good, made good vehicles (just as you are saying?)

So I traded it on a 2004 Dodge Ram 2500. The list of problems has become absolutely incredible! Failed hubs, sensors, and a host of other mechanical problems, the paint is so thin it fails to protect the steel from rust, and on and on and on. A total piece of crap.

Sweeping generalizations such as 'every manufacturer is...' are not meaningful, since they are not true.

And the dealer that I bought the truck from turned into a major piece of crap. But revenge was in the future: they were one of the ones that Chrysler closed! I laughed hard that day. They screwed up things on a constant basis, costing me money every time due to their mistakes.

I probably installed custom car stereos in at least 50 of them back in the day. They were extremely popular in some parts of the country.

Aside from the 240Z, how many Japanese cars were worth collecting in the

Some people still think Beanie Babies are "collectible". Elvis dishes, too.

THis is it, 'Lizabeth! This is the big one!

Check prices on Supras on eBay. I paid $600 for mine 6 years ago, could have bought another one just like it, but with 155,000 miles on eBay for $585, 40 miles from home. Look at them now...