True and often forgotten.
About 50% of Canada's big 2.5 vehicle production is shipped to the USA.
Significant Canadian built vehicles, using parts from "anywhere", are
the Chrysler Van and 300 lines. Previous models included the Chrysler
FWD mid sized cars.
I have a '95 Concord built in Canada and my wife has a '01 Sebring built
in the USA. I believe the 2.7L engine in my wife's Sebring is built in
Anyone can assemble a product in the US, ask Samsung or Sony, yet they are
still japanese products. Just follow the money and see where it ends
up...Japan. Its funny how so many people want to claim a Toyota or Honda as
an American product as if to convince themselve that they are patriotic and
not some sellout.
That mindset of yours is what got Detroit in failure mode (massive buyouts,
plant closings, cars people did not want to buy, losing market share, etc.,
etc., etc.). Toyota and Honda and Nissan are hiring Americans and opening
plants. Unlike Detroit.
Hmm, that is rather odd. Last time I checked, GM still outsells the rest of
them. How do they do that when people don't want to buy there cars? As for
plant closings, where I live, they are building the new Flex plant, where
the Camaro is going to be built, so no complaints here.
Congrats on getting a GM plant near where you live. They build the
Chevrolet Cobalt/Pontiac Pursuit near here where I am at. It puts a lot of
high paying jobs in our community. Plus besides people who work for GM;
there are thousands of jobs that support the GM plant -- parts suppliers,
janitorial, trades people, etc.. These thousands of people spend money in
the community and help put food on the table of people who don't even work
Exactly. I read in a newspaper article here once that for ever line person
at my GM plant, 100 (give or take) other people are employed. And, I know
for a fact that if the GM plant in Oshawa closed down, my entire
municipality would close up as well. People who aren't effected by this
usually don't understand it.
Dont be such a redneck. People are trying to relate their own personal
This has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, the KKK, or the Communist party.
People who wont listen and learn are doomed.
There is not a single complaint that has been aired here that does not have
I have no dog in the fight where GM is concerned. But I KNOW what my issues
and GM has done little or nothing to address them.
But you have to admit a lot of people support Japanese simply because of
pure hype and that "there ice is colder" mentality. I also know from
experience from 2 family members who have owned a Toyota and the other had
2 Mazdas and can say that the mazdas flat out did not hold up well in
mechanics or ride quality and the Toyota just always had lingering problems.
And I am driving a 97 Pontiac that has only given me 1 problem which is the
Intake gasket failure, other than regular maintenance this car has performed
great up to today with 133k miles.
There may be some people who believe that Japanese is best, as some used to
that German engineering and quality was superior...(maybe it was, at one
The statistics that are published seem to show that certain models of Honda
are significantly less likely to have failures than the norm. I am sure
they have their
The Japanese have a pretty good reputation for repairing their errors with
from dealerships or corporate. True or not, I do not know.
My complaint with GM had to do with older short warranties (36000 miles) and
failure to address key issues in quality that GM KNEW were their fault. The
plenum is only one of them. (Volkswagen has the same shitty reputation)
GM has made some progress on warranties, and we can hope that they will
to what their clients want, and what we dont want, and will respond
The problem has been squarely in GM's court... The Japanese didnt get a
reputation by behaving in this manner. Maybe this is an innovation of the
that GM can copy.
I would say mostly true. I know a friend of mine had his butt kissed
by Infiniti on a cheap used G20 back in the day (overrevved it because
he missed a shift, got a free new head even after he told the
dealership what he did.) I don't know if that is still true but
stories like that are plentiful and contribute to the reputation of the
Japanese as being overall more forgiving and pleasant to deal with.
Which is a shame because a lot of VW's problems are supplier problems
not problems directly attributable to the engineering or build quality
of their vehicles. They're really excellent, solid cars BUT handling
of warranty claims by VWoA is... not so good. Don't get me started on
the number that I personally have knowledge of... like the A4 window
regulators, coil packs, and the A2 heater cores... had VW handled these
issues better, they could have built themselves a nice reputation for
standing behind their product, but their manner of handling these
issues was totally out of character with the overall quality (and let's
be honest, purchase price) of their vehicles.
If one listened to the import buyer one might think all GM cars fall apart
when the warranty expires.
I take my 1971 Pinto with 300K on the clock, (you know how bad they were,)
to old car shows and it wins awards. Except a 'Z' car or an RX& on
occasion, I have yet to see a Jap sedan from the seventies or even the
eighties at one of those shows. Lot of British cars (you know how bad they
were, German and even Italian sedans but never a Jap car from that time
You are obviously a reasonably intelligent person. Therefore why do think
just because no Japanese cars from the 70's are at the shows it is
indicative of them being crap? And that because someone with more money
than common sense will spend big bucks on the crappy Brit and Italian cars
of that era makes them better? You are old enough to remember what lumps of
crap those German and Brit cars were, just as you know that the Japanese
cars of that time were not any better or worse than the European cars.
You are also smart enough to know that today the products produced by the
Japanese companies receive much higher customer (real world) satisfaction
ratings as reported by that left wing socialist magazine CR.
I truly wish that cars made by GM, Ford and the half Nazi company using the
Chrysler name were better products. However they are what they are; more of
a problem to their owners than Japanese cars.
The Pinto was a POS from the word go but probably sold more copies in the US
than all the Japanese makers put together in 1971. Not that their quality
was that great either but getting an award for a Pinto is like gettng an
award for having a dropped bomb that didn't explode. Sorry couldn't resist
..............but not kidding about the difference in numbers. Had a 66
Mustang that's still one of my favorite cars so not just bashing Ford.
During the 80's GM had 12month no rust through warranties. What more needs
to be said about quality. If not for the Japanese you'd have to pick up
Bondo on your way home from the dealership after buying new Detroit "iron".
Meanwhile, back to the future, the only 2 Japanese cars I have experience
with is my father-in-laws Accord and a rental Mitsubishi Gallant. The Accord
is a great car. The Gallant is a POS. My G Am is much closer to the Accord
than the Gallant. Especially considering age differences. It certainly can't
be said all Jap cars are better.
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