Why are all these people knocking GM ?????????

Keep on telling yourself that when Toyota passes GM because Toyota builds a quality product that people want to buy. Then the Big Three will be Toyota, Honda and (maybe) GM.

Great! Dont work on cars for a living do ya? The "import lovers" pay me very well. ;)

Well, Jim, since you like giving your money to Japan, why don't you move there and leave us the hell alone.

That mindset of yours is what got Detroit in failure mode (massive buyouts, plant closings, cars people did not want to buy, losing market share, etc., etc., etc.). Toyota and Honda and Nissan are hiring Americans and opening plants. Unlike Detroit.

Hmm, that is rather odd. Last time I checked, GM still outsells the rest of them. How do they do that when people don't want to buy there cars? As for plant closings, where I live, they are building the new Flex plant, where the Camaro is going to be built, so no complaints here.

Fleet sales.

nate

Congrats on getting a GM plant near where you live. They build the Chevrolet Cobalt/Pontiac Pursuit near here where I am at. It puts a lot of high paying jobs in our community. Plus besides people who work for GM; there are thousands of jobs that support the GM plant -- parts suppliers, janitorial, trades people, etc.. These thousands of people spend money in the community and help put food on the table of people who don't even work at GM.

Exactly. I read in a newspaper article here once that for ever line person at my GM plant, 100 (give or take) other people are employed. And, I know for a fact that if the GM plant in Oshawa closed down, my entire municipality would close up as well. People who aren't effected by this usually don't understand it.

That's wierd, because when I worked for Toyota, most of the major repairs where on the used cars that usually GMC, Chevy, Ford, Mazda..American vehicles and when I worked at Dodge and Chevy most of the major repairs was on Dodge and Chevy's. Don't figure....who knows.

I'm patriotic, but I don't like spending my free time working on my own cars, my friends and my families cars.

Who ever assembles the Toyotas or Hondas do a great job, because they are by far more reliable and dependable. Maybe there has been a SMALL decline in the workmanship of these vehicles, but not too much.

I have owned Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Mazda, VW, Honda and Toyota vehicles and out of all of these cars the Toyota and Honda vehicles needed less work and lasted the longest.

To each their own.

James

Jim Higg> >

Of course because people like you think some elses Ice is colder. Some just won't be happy until Japan also takes over congress...which in todays case could be a good thing. One thing is for sure its a good thing that mentality was not around when Japan was bombing Pearl Harbor with Mitsubishi Zeros. Also when and or if the Japanese put US auto out of business you will see quality drop like it already has begun with japanese cars, then you will be whining about junk japanese cars.

Yep they are flocking to the Japanese auto plants like nice human robots...as if they really have a choice.

No they don't care to understand they are just loyal to the flag of the Rising Sun in Japan.

Timmy Dont be such a redneck. People are trying to relate their own personal experiences.

This has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, the KKK, or the Communist party.

People who wont listen and learn are doomed. There is not a single complaint that has been aired here that does not have some merit.

I have no dog in the fight where GM is concerned. But I KNOW what my issues are, and GM has done little or nothing to address them.

If you want to talk about assembly quality, GM's Oshawa car plant has been ranked as the highest quality plant in North or South America, by J.D. Power & Associates. And that, is a fact. We won it last year as well.

Good for you guys. Of the last three GM cars I've owned, only one had a minor assembly problem that was fixed easily by the dealer. Paint and fit of body parts has been greatly improved over anything in the past. GM has made big strides in assembly over the past 15 or 20 years.

What they still lack though, is some better designs on some models. Assembly though, is only of factor in making a quality car that sells well. When you sell millions of vehicles, pennies sure add up, but if they added $50 to the cost of a car, they could probably save the consumer thousands in repair bills. I should not have to hold the cruise control on by jamming the switch with a toothpick. I should not have to prop up the power windows with a stick of wood. I should not have to replace a $560 seat bottom to replace a $15 heating element. They make great car that lasts for 75,000 miles.

Those are your own experences. I have owned 9 cars. 8 Pontiac's and 1 Oldsmobile. I loved each and every one of them. Sure, some had problems, but the ones that had the major problems were into the 300,000 KM's range. I just find it odd that some people say there Toyota will never break down. Give me a break. I don't care what you buy, it will break down on occasion.

Of course, all cars can break down, and some are lemons....I dont believe anyone here said that a Toyota will never break down.

Some of us here have had LOTS of trouble with GM cars. And we are frankly not too happy about it.

Detroit is flushing them so why not take a job where you can get it? Detroit treated them poorly so bye-bye Detroit.

No, but some of you seem to think Toyota's are gifts from God.

I have had break down's as well, and I wasn't happy about it either. It happens. Cars break down. Computers break down. TV's break down. It is a fact of life. All my point is if you don't like GM, then that beg's the question, why are you here? If all you have to say about GM is bad, then what is the point?