Now.... a lot is going to depend on what you call cold... -40 is a God-given
fact for several days a year where I live... it's gonna happen, drop your
purse and hold you jacket closed, pansy...
I run dino oil... I cannot justify the expense of synthetics and most of you
guys can't tell the difference between cracked synthetics and PAO synthetics
Don't get me wrong.. run synthetic if you want... I put it in a customers
engine every time they ask. But I'm going to have a real hard time
recommending it to people that don't need it...
<top posting fixed>
> Now.... a lot is going to depend on what you call cold... -40 is a
> fact for several days a year where I live... it's gonna happen, drop your
> purse and hold you jacket closed, pansy...
> I run dino oil... I cannot justify the expense of synthetics and most
> guys can't tell the difference between cracked synthetics and PAO
> Don't get me wrong.. run synthetic if you want... I put it in a customers
> engine every time they ask. But I'm going to have a real hard time
> recommending it to people that don't need it...
if you change your oil every 3k miles...
Yes I did. I understood that the two mileage requirements were 3750
(Severe) & 7500 (Normal). What I was commenting on was the line that
said - "Their definition of normal also pretty much leaves out
While Nissan tends to push owners toward the "severe" schedule more
than than other companies, I was trying to make the point that the
regular schedule does not leave everybody out. I should have been more
explicit in what I was discussing. To be clear, I think most Nissan
drivers can use the regualr schedule. Honestly, why would anyone call
a schedule "Normal" and then claim it wasn't? If they meant for the
7500 mile schedule to apply to only a few owners, they should have
called it "light duty" or "unstressed" but certianly not "normal." I
think Nissan was trying to both claim extended maintenance
(competitive advantage for selling cars) and encourage people to go to
their dealer more often (aftermarket profit motive). Nissan explicitly
said you didn't need to use the "Premium Service" to maintain your
I've read more than one account on Chrysler LH car flrums where it was
claimed that Chrysler refused to cover a 2.7L engine failure when the
customer had receipts showing the oil was changed at the dealer on the
Schedule A. Reason for turning the claim down: There is no such thing
in the real world as Schedule A service. Everything is Schedule B.
Claim denied. I can't swear that the posters were telling the truth,
but that's what was claimed.
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
On 4/1/10 3:54 PM, in article hp314u$cr8$ email@example.com, "C.
I ignore the "premium" category as mostly fluff that probably serves the
purpose you suggest (dealer profit), but they have changed the names of the
other two in the "Service and Maintenance Guide" for '08 & '09. Now there
is "Premium Schedule", Schedule 1 and Schedule 2. It still says you don't
have to follow the Premium schedule to maintain the warranty, but Schedule 2
(what used to be called "Normal") has this disclaimer: "Generally, Schedule
2 applies only to highway driving in temperate conditions."
And you ignore that advice at your peril on an Altima or Maxima.
Quite a few in the scrap-yard around here with mint bodies because the
cost of needed engine repairs equals or excedes the resale value of
the car in running condition.
On 4/2/10 10:44 AM, in article firstname.lastname@example.org,
From the (G37) maintenance schedule: "Infiniti developed Premium Maintenance
for owners who want the ultimate in preventative maintenance." What they
call Schedule ! Is the "severe" schedule with 3750 miles oil changes and
checks. There is no peril in not following the "premium" schedule on an
Altima or Maxima (unless having that extra cash in your wallet constitutes
Aimed at the same people who have always used "premium" fuel, simply
because "it's premium". Also, "if it costs more, it MUST be better."
There are those here and elsewhere who would tell you, "if you can't
afford the service, then you can't afford the car." They use that to
defend a Lexus ES350 oil change costing $150 compared to the $30 oil
change on the same engine over at the Toyota dealer.
Those people are defending their burning need to BELIEVE.
And Infiniti has chosen, brilliantly, to cater to people who WANT cash
to leave their pockets. That cash is GOING to leave their pockets no
matter what; Infiniti figured it might as well go into Infiniti's
coffers as to Starbucks for a $5.00 cup of coffee.
Last December I bought a new car, trading my 3 year old with 67000 trouble
free miles. I do believe in proper maintenance but I'm not going to follow
the dealer's recommendations. When I bought the car they gave me a service
"menu" with the miles, work to be performed, and cost. Following their
schedule I'd have spent an additional $2200 in that three years. As for
trade in value, they never looked at the car so it was not something that
had payback in resale.
"jim beam" wrote:
<the usual troll of snide comments on creative writings of others>
<the signoff motto: nomina rutrum rutrum>
Using a Latin signoff motto has become a fad because it gives
a writer an air of learning. Lucy Kellaway, a columnist for
Financial Times, experimented with converting modern
expressions to Latin. One of her samples was the expression,
''call a spade a spade''. The translation came back:
''nomina rutrum rutrum''.
Some who see the world in black and white have copied
and adopted this Latinized signoff as their own. Whenever
you see someone using this expression to suggest an air of
learning, remember that it was conceived as a joke, and that
its true translation is: ''call a shovel a shovel''.
Cross posting left in because I'm a dork....
A look at the oil change intervals for the new Fords coming down the
assembly line will be an eye opener...
FWIW, the lubricants "available" in America are likely amongst the best in
the world... low ash content for diesel applications and various other
requirements placed on engine oil (and other lubes) by the applications they
are designed for... If one is to be concerned about "quality" in any areas -
I don't think it would be with packaged lubes but with bulk fuels....
packaged lubes that bear appropriate ratings, at least (will SpamsOil ever
get an API rating?).
Back to lube intervals... Many of the new and current Ford offerings have
the IOLM (intelligent oil life monitor) system. Here
is a cut and paste of a message we got from the mothership (missing is the
page that indicates which model/engine combos have what system). Notice that
SOME oil change intervals can go as long as 1 year or 10,000 miles (16,000
There's some pretty neat stuff hitting the streets these days... including
the dual plug 6.2 Ford and the "reverse flow" 6.7 diesel...
I totally forgot "the flip side of the coin".... An abandoned 2006 Fusion...
left on our doorstep like a baby in a basket.... 100,000 kms or so on the
ticker and only two oil changes to it's history. The amount of sludge under
that valve covers is still a topic of conversation around the shop...
The longer we extend the service interval, the more important it becomes to
And the more important it is to check behind whoever you pay to do them
to make sure they actually do them. I've personally seen too many
examples of where that was the case. Imagine being on a 5000 mile
change interval and two changes are faked.
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