protectionist b.s.

couldn't have put it better myself.

i'd love to know what our fanboi has to say about less-obvious quality issues for things like cast vs forged cranks. cast cranks were pioneered by domestics to cut production costs [and increase gas consumption] while the rest of the world looked on and snickered. they still do.

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i bow to tegger on this - he's got your number.

well said.

Spot on Tegger!!! My concern now is that Government Motors will be run into the ground if the Bureaucrats don't let people who know how run the company. If they won't, then I greatly fear GMs demise. The guvmint doesn't have a great track record managing anything.

DaveD

I need to do something like the fuel cut-off switch on my '91 Miata. The blue book value is only a couple of grand, but it would cost me many times that amount to duplicate it as it sits now.

Yeah, maybe get the parts for that today. Miatas are not a highly sought-after car for parts, but joy-riders are always a possibility, and the wheels and intercooler could attract attention from knowledgeable thieves.

I could stand to do the same to my '94 Accord, it is easy to steal as you said. Neither car has any anti-theft protection beyond the ignition switch, and I don't even lock the Miata, as a slashed top is more expensive to replace than anything inside the car.

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pws wrote in news:hkrq67$73u$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org:

Plus you really feel violated once your car is gone.

Definitely!

I had a 12V relay,a magnetic reed switch and a magnet; I was going to wire the relay into the fuel pump power line,and hide the reed switch under a place where I could place the magnet to activate the fuel pump before starting the car. The hard part on my Integra would have been removing the hatchback's back seat to access the fuel pump and it's wiring.

you could hide the reed under the carpet somewhere,or under the door trim plate,or somewhere in the console,but you have to have a way to keep the magnet in place while you're driving,and not show evidence of it when you remove the magnet.I won't disclose what I had in mind,I may want to use it elsewhere.It was pretty sneaky. B-)

Of course,it's simpler to just use a toggle switch and find a good place to hide it. IMO,it's easier for the thief to find it though.

I was thinking of a toggle switch, never thought of a magnetically activated one.

Would this be reliable? It sounds very difficult to defeat, and also pretty cool.

pws wrote in news:hkss99$14q$ snipped-for-privacy@speranza.aioe.org:

magnetic reed switches are very reliable. But if the theives can find it quickly enough,they can bypass it.

But they would need to have a magnet and know where it was located. Sounds interesting. Time to research magnetic reed switches, I have never heard of them before this.

Thanks!

except that it's not. and nor should it be. and don't top post.

no, toyota have /not/ "been ordered", they have done a voluntary recall. see frod for details of how to avoid compulsory recalls.

the switch may be reliable, but the magnet positioning would be problematic. you really don't need that thing shifting and killing fuel each time you hit a bump.

I would make sure that it was secured well, but I may just go with a toggle switch instead.

Thanks,

This whole episode sounds like your neighbor's experience, not yours.

It took you exactly two paragraphs to discredit yourself.

Let your neighbor post about his experiences.

Now tell me, how many GM products HAVE you owned????

And if so, how recently??????

Well, actually it HAS been trendy to bash GM for many years, whether it be in Hollywood, or the media.

And once again, how many GM cars have you owned to give you such negative fellings?????

How close were you to your neighbor who abused his/her/it's 2001 Impala?

Actually, the Impala has been proven time and time and time again to be a pretty reliable car.

Once again, thanks to the likes of you.

Of course, in the end, you wind up hurting yourself, as well. whether you realize it or not.

In some manner all of us will eventually pay for the "my choice" mentality.

LTD.....Good choice to present in an argument about bad GM products.

How many years has it been since an LTD has been made????

I'll give you credit, though, at least you didn't mention a Corvair, Pinto, or Vega in your argument.

However:

If you compare the LTD's with cars made in IT'S era, instead of trying to compare it with a 2008 Honda Accord, your will find the LTD was a pretty good vehicle.

Not trying to sell you a vehicle.

Just pointing out that the one-sided argument that GM sells junk ain't so one sided anymore.

You sound like a car salesman.

I hope you are not, because if you are, you are LYING to your customers.

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Sounds like YOU are Google-challenged to me.

Once again, this is group about automoblies, not foreign trade (as one sided, or unfair as it may be)

Opps, please strike the words within the paragragh from the records!

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This whole statement you made here is simply full of doo-doo.

you use a few factual statments, but mostly biased ones here.

How about using a little logic, instead?????

GM sell, MILLIONS of vehicles world wide, but only 12000 in Japan.

"How are the "needs' of Japan so different from the rest of the world that, given a fair chance, GM sells millions of vehicles to?

Does ALL of the Japanese people live in the narrow streets of Tokyo, meaning GM didn/t make a small enough car for them??

And what about this "2000 cc engine size?????

Is there some kind of Japanese law stating engines have to be a certain (small) size??????

If so, that, in itself, is a govenrment restriction, whether terriffs are used or not.

Only one in about a thousand examples of how a government can restrict free-trade even without tariffs.

Now go back, and Google, and Wikipedia a little more and use common sense the next time you tell me that a country that has a population of, what, about a 130 million people whom have largly embraced a Western-civilization lifestyle only buys 12000 GM cars???????

Pretty lame exuse on your part.

Any you insult Japanese people with your generalations.

Actually the number is about 8 MILLION recalls in the past year, and growing.

The number is probably over 20 million if you go back five years.

But, these vechiles are so much better than the Corvar, Pinto, LTD, or

I will admit, I have not owned 30 GM's like you. Owning more than one a year is not a good sign at all. How can you gauge reliability when you swap out your GM's that often? If you have driven, say 1,000,000 miles, that comes out to just 33,333 miles per GM, assuming that GM's are all that you ever drive. Not a lot of miles per car.

I do auto work for a lot of friends and family, and sometimes for money. I have also stripped out quite a few different foreign and domestic cars for parts resale.

The past 20 years of doing this has exposed me to all sorts of different vehicles, including a lot of Fords and GM's since, believe it or not, they tend to require a lot of repairs.

The domestic vehicles are consistently the worst ones. Work on enough cars and tear down enough of them, and the quality, or lack thereof, becomes obvious. It would take a true idiot not to see that the Japanese have just completely beaten us in the quality department.

How close I am to my neighbor is none of your business, and it is a she, not a he. We might be casual friends and I might be sleeping with her, that is completely irrelevant to the fact that the Impala that she owned was a complete piece of s*it, contrary to your fantasy that it is a good car.

The likes of you supporting them no matter what they make is why the United States is still laughed at for producing s***ty vehicles.

What would really hurt me is to keep repeating the same process of buying a piece of junk domestic car and hoping for a different result. That was Einstein's definition of insanity.

I am talking about domestics in general. When you speak of "cities being ruined economically", are you talking about just GM? I didn't think so.

If you are really going to say that the LTD that my parents owned was a good car for it's era, then you are completely out of touch with reality.

Not even the biggest Ford fanatic could possibly call that car a "pretty good vehicle". There were a lot of better cars out there during that era, they just weren't made by inept workers, which means that they were imported.

In this newsgroup, I have only seen you defending domestic vehicles, while several knowledgeable people are pointing out that they are junk.

Some even put it more nicely than that, but if they did not think that the cars were junk then they would buy them. You put way too much faith in the power of advertising.

Not a car salesman, just someone who is into cars and likes to help steer friends and family away from bad buying decisions. You claiming that the Impala and LTD were anything other than complete garbage, now that is a lie, as it is certainly not the truth.