Our XG350 is horrible on icy roads. We have experienced this twice now,
once while on vacation where the condo was on a hill that got iced up, and
now again while on vacation when we went through an ice storm. The vehicle
has never behaved badly on snowy roads, or slushy roads, just ice. The
vehicle has brand new Briggstone Turansa tires that I've used on other
vehicles and they have been great on ice. I know there is a lot of weight
on the front wheels (due to the tires always looking like they need air) so
I would expect that the car would be good on ice, but no. Anybody out there
have similar experience with Hyundai and ice? Any ideas what to do about
it? I run my tires high (35-40 psi), would lowering that help?
BTW I'm in Minnesota, so I know how to drive on snow and ice.
Lowering them to specs would certainly put more tread on the road so it
should help. There's an easy way to find out : )
Now, if you've lived in Minnesota for any appreciable time, you know darn
well that driving on glare ice is almost impossible unless you have studs
installed in your tires. Alas, they were eventually banned in Michigan due
to the damage the caused to concrete roads.
I chose a more radical solution after living in Michigan for decades. Moved
to Arizona! ; )
The electronic throttle probably makes it difficult to have the degree of
throttle control you desire. You do, on the other hand have the
shiftronic feature, so you could try starting out in second gear to see if
that improves anything.
I'm also not sure you'd be increasing contact area by removing some air
from the tires. Even at 35 PSI, the XG's front tires seem to bulge
significantly at the sidewall.
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Especially if you are from Minnesota, you should keep in mind the effect
that the bitter cold has on regular all-season tires, even beyond being
potentially poor in either snow or ice. You just will not get the grip on
even a good all-season tire that you would in Summer.
I HIGHLY recommend that Minnesotans use a set of dedicated Winter tires on
their vehicles. You will be stunned how much of a difference it makes on
I agree if you are talking about grip on pavement, although most winter
tires aren't that good on pavement either. On snow or ice, the colder
the better for almost all tires. The traction when temps are below zero
is FAR better than when between 20 and warmer. The main culprit in poor
traction on ice and packed snow is a very thin layer of water formed
between the tire and the snow or ice due to the pressure. This layer is
difficult to form when it gets cold enough and thus the traction
Yes, not doubt that purpose-built tires are better in the conditions for
which they are designed, but they are also much worse in almost all
conditions other than for which they were designed. If you have snow on
the road the majority of the time, then I would get snow tires. Where I
live, we have snow on the roads for only a small part of the time and
thus snow tires are a bad deal overall. Our road crews are very good
and typically have the salt out and the roads clear within hours of a
snowfall. The roads are then wet and soon dry and in both of these
conditions, the all-season radials outperform the dedicated winter tires.
OTOH, I run dedicated snow tires every winter and have for decades. Just
for fun, when I bought my Elantra, I decided to try the stock tires in
the winter. One snowstorm was all it took to convince me of the error of
that thinking. I live in NH, where the road crews are very adept at
getting the highways and main roads cleared quickly, but that's not
always the case on secondary and rural roads. Moreover, wet roads often
get slushy then freeze at night, creating treacherous conditions. My
experience has been that having dedicated winter tires (Nokian Hakka
IIs, in my case) is a night and day difference in performance in
difficult conditions. I don't find them to be a problem on dry roads at
all (I don't drive aggressively enough for it to matter) and they work
fine in winter rains, too. They do handle some differently than my
summer tires, but I've done this for long enough that I make the
adjustment in a few miles.
I have no choice but to drive in some pretty horrendous conditions, so
the choice of whether to go with dedicated winter tires is a no-brainer
for me. I have to admit to taking a certain perverse pleasure in
comfortably cruising by white-knuckled SUV drivers that are sliding all
over - or off - the road on their "all season" tires, which really
should be called "no season", since they pretty well suck at everything.
It never ceases to amaze me that people will spend several thousand
extra dollars on almost useless FWD when they could get better
performance with a front-drive vehicle and a few hundred dollars spent
on good winter rubber.
I think we've had this conversation before, but I've had a much
different experience. I live in extreme northern PA (just a mile or two
south of the NY border) and our winters are pretty nasty here also.
Maybe not as bad as NH, but that probably depends on where in NH you live.
I've had no problems with All-season tires. The only tires I've had
trouble with are the stock tires that came on my Sonata, but they were
Michelin "performance" tires rather than all-season tires. My driveway
alone is more treacherous that most roads and I plow it myself, but do
not apply any salt, cinders or sand. I can send you a picture if you
want to see it! :-)
I haven't run a snow tire on a car since the 1970s and get through
winters just fine. I don run M&S tires on my Chevy pickup as that is my
plow vehicle and I don't want to have to mess with putting on chains. I
do have a full set of chains, but have only needed them once and that
was with the original Goodyear AT tires that didn't have a very
aggressive tread. However, these tires are very loud on the road and
wear pretty quickly, but for a truck that sees only 5K miles a year and
most of them are plowing snow or hauling firewood, rapid wear isn't a
I've found that performance in the snow is more a function of driver
technique than tire style. I routinely drive 55-60 on snow covered
4-lane roads and pass SUVs all of the time. The all-season tires on my
Sonata and minivan work just fine in anything less than a foot of snow.
If I have to deal with a foot or more, I take the truck. :-)
Yes, we've discussed this before and I'm sure our respective winters are
We're talking about car tires here, not truck tires. You really cannot
compare the two. Winter car tires do not have the disadvantages of truck
tires, either in noise or wear. There is usually a very slight increase
in noise and I get at least three winters out of a set of tires, driving
them ~5 months per year. I find that acceptable given their benefits.
Perhaps it's time you tried a set of dedicated winter tires on your
cars. Your dismissive statements are typical of people who've never
tried winter tires (or in your case, haven't done so in 30+ years). The
fact is that you can't appreciate the difference until you experience
it. I've done the comparison on my Elantra and six other cars I've
owned, including several instances where I've literally driven in the
same storm with both types of tires (typically the first storm of the
season). The difference in traction is DRAMATIC compared to all season
or performance tires. Everyone I've convinced to try winter tires have
said the same thing. I also drive a lot of rental cars these days and
I've seen firsthand exactly how bad many all season tires are in winter
conditions. While I agree that technique and skill are important,
neither can create traction where it doesn't exist. That's the main
benefit of winter tires, they grip were other tires don't.
This discussion reminds me of "Green Eggs and Ham". ;-)
If I were having problems with all-season tires, then I would try snow
tires. However, I can drive 55 on snow covered roads with confidence
and stability and I can make it up my 1700' uphill driveway without the
need to do anything other than plow it, so there is no need to spend
extra money on tires and changing them two extra times a year.
I'm not against snow tires at all, I just don't need them ... like 98%
of the rest of the folks in the USA. There are 2% who need them and
they should buy and use them.
Possibly, but consider how many people who live in the snow belt get along
just fine without snow tires. I lived over 60 years in snowy mid-Michigan
and never had a need for snow tires. And when front-wheel-drive became
common there was even less need for the hassle of changing in and out of
I too haven't run snows in a while, but be real, all seasons really aren't
good in snow-we've all just like the ease of them.
But, I think the best way is to have four snows on four steel wheels for
the few winter months. Hey we rotate tires anyway, whats the big deal in
putting on the snows.
Snows on snow free winter roads doesn't really bother when operating at
sane speeds doing sane manuevers.
I know I have to get snow for the wifes volvo; No 245 40 17's behave at all
in snow. A narrower 16" snow on steel wheels next year for that vehicle for
Depends where you live. In mid-Michigan (Lansing area), keeping an extra set
of tires just for snow couldn't be justified by most drivers. And
accordingly, it's not a very common practice. Maybe in upper Michigan
where they get clobbered by lake-effect snow but not the rest of the state.
"> Depends where you live. In mid-Michigan (Lansing area), keeping an extra
I know what your saying, but it brings to mind something my mother used to
say about cars..."It doesn't cost anymore to keep the tank full as it does
empty" Once you've bought the snows and cheap steel wheels, it doesn't cost
any more to employ them. Miles put on snows are miles not put on regular
tires....BTW how many of us use summer tires as opposed to all season
radials, and is anyone troiubled by that performance compromise (wet
weather, braking and handling). There, I'm done beating the dead
horse<grin>.....I guess the group does largely agree on one thing- The OP
faulting Hyundai is mostly without merit.(I think the touchy throttle
observation was a good one though)
The TC works very well. When I pull out of my driveway I make a left up a
hill A few mornings in snow the TC did a very good job but it seems even
better in 2nd.
I've also been able to pass other cars on a hill with the help of TC while
the others were spinning. And that is with 30K on the original tires.
Overall, I'm pleased with the snow performance of the car.
Oh, no, I'm not considering snows. Like you and Mike point out, too much of
a compromise for the rest of my driving.
Well, your mother was wrong. It DOES cost more to haul around a full
tank of gas! And it does cost more to use snow tires. They wear much
faster than an all-season or summer tire so every mile put on a snow
tire is more costly than a mile put on an all-season or summer tire.
No, I'm not bothered by the summer compromises of all-season tires as,
again, I don't need the performance of a performance summer tire. The
only difference I saw between the tires that came on my Sonata and the
tires I have now is that the performance tires wore out in 30K miles
rather than the 50-60K I typically achieve with all-season tires. That
is the performance of most interest to me.
That's simply not true and since you haven't used any in over 30 years,
you have nothing to base that conclusion on. Winter tire design and
rubber formulations have changed considerably. While it's true that they
use softer tread compounds than some "all season tires", they're quite
durable in the colder winter temperatures they're designed for. They're
often MORE durable that typical soft summer "performance" compounds. My
winter tires last at least as many seasons as my summer tires and they
typically cost less. Once you amortize the cost of the extra set of
wheels, it's all gravy (I had one set of wheels that I used on four cars
between '84 and '04). Unless one drives aggressively year-round when on
dry pavement, there is no significant downside to winter tires. There
ARE significant safety and performance advantages to them in nasty
winter conditions. There isn't any inconvenience, either. As Darby
pointed out, instead of rotating your tires twice per year (which we
should be doing anyway), you just swap from summers to winters and vice
versa - rotating them whenever they're reinstalled, of course. If making
the switch forces people to rotate their tires when they might not do it
otherwise, their summer tires will last longer and they'll actually see
some cost saving from it.
Frankly, most of the arguments against winter tires - for people who
live in climates where they're justified - really boil down to one of
- I don't want to
- I don't care
- I'm too cheap
Add "I don't need them to drive safely"
It doesn't "really boil down to ..." your biases.
If I've driven in northern snow for almost 50 years -- many before
front-wheel drive or radial tires -- without any significant problem, none
of things you boiled this down to do not apply. Maybe "I don't need to"
would be a better addition to your list.
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