I've already pointed out numerous times that your blanket claim that
winter tires wear faster is blatantly false. You also asserted that they
were uncomfortably noisy, which is also false or at least misleading, as
you were equating them to your truck tires, which are another animal
entirely. You have fabricated statements and attributed them to me at
least twice. I could go on, but I'm not going to waste my time, as it's
evident that that you're willing to lie just to make a point and you
have no credibility.
I posted references that state that winter tires wear more rapidly than
ASRs. Where is your reference that they don't?
I said they were noisy on my truck and they are and I can find
references to noise as well, but since you don't accept any facts that
conflict with your opinion, I'm done doing your homework for you.
It's a little too warm for that where I am at the moment. ;-)
While it's been fun watching Matt flounder around, I've wasted way too
many keystokes on this silliness and this thread stopped being useful
for anything other than entertainment long ago. I've made my points and
I'm done with it. Whoever is still around can breathe a sigh of relief. :-)
Yup - we seem to cover this patch of ground at least once per winter. I'm
fine with the idea that Brian and I disagree on the value of snow's. He
likes them and feels they add something, and I haven't used a pair in
decades. I live in Central NY, in the snow belt east of Lake Ontario. We
get between 200-300 inches of snow per year, so we're in the category of
severe winter weather locations.
I too have found some all-season to be pure garbage, but my experience is
that those are more the touring tires. Bad tread patterns. Really poor
sipe designs. That said, there are many other all season tires out there
that have very good tread design and that provide absolutely positive winter
Again, our experiences are similar Matt. As you may recall, my plow truck
is a 94 Silverado. I have a set of Dunlop M&S on it and they are on it year
round. Never put a chain on my tires ever.
I can't count the number of times I've had to plow my way through unplowed
roads (the one I live on), or up my driveway (300 ft+) with plow wash piled
up at the mouth of the driveway, and had snow pushing up over my hood as I
went. No exaggeration. Likewise, I cannot recall the last time I had to be
pulled out of anything, dug out of anything or pushed out of anything, in my
car. A good set of all season tires will chew through anything you put
under them, and as you say, the highway stuff is a reflection of both a good
tread design in an all season tire, and driving technique.
All these messages about driving the Hyundai on ice and snow brought
to mind an entry in the Owner's manual for my 200- Sonata GLS v6.
It clearly states "Tire chains should not be used on P205/60/ R15
tires. With these tires there is not sufficient clearance for chains
installation between the tires and other vehicle components and damage
I just want to stick my two cents in. I am picky about my tires and drive
about 25000 miles per year which is mostly drive back and forth to work in
all kinds of lousy weather. Snow, Rain, Ice etc. and have found that
Performance All Seasons are the way to go. They perform much better in the
wet and as far as I can tell in the snow. The original tires that come on
most new cars are junk, IE Michelin MXV4 - plane like no ones business. I
currently have Michelin Exalta A/Ss which I am quite happy with. BTW the BF
Goodrich Traction TA are not bad either. Check out the user reviews on
various type of tires at www.tirerack.com
For the Record my previous car was a 92 Accord and went thru many sets /
brands of tires and was never completely happy. My Tib feels much more
stable in lousy conditions than the accord ever did.
<Old_Timer> wrote in message > wrote:
FWIW, I'm perfectly happy with ASRs as three season tires, which is
really what they are. If I was driving as aggressively as I once did,
I'd want something stickier, but these days I'd rather not sacrifice wet
weather safety for dry weather performance.
Reading through this entire thread of testosterone has at least tought me
one lesson: Brian, you are not comprehending what people are saying here.
NO ONE SO FAR has disputed the fact that snow tires are better in snow and
ice. All everyone is saying is that they don't need them.
I work for a utility company and I HAVE to get to work in the worst
conditions. I've also never had a problem driving in snow and ice that was
below the front air dam on any car I have owned.
The biggest problem in these conditions is avoiding the idiots that don't
know how to drive in the snow and ice.
The only time I have ever needed anything more than a good ASR was in 1992,
when here in NJ we were encrusted in ice for several weeks. I went out and
got some studded snows (on my companies dime I might add) and they helped
me out tremendously. That was the only time I've ever NEEDED anything like
In the blizzard of 1996, I drove my car through 36" of fresh white powder
in the Princeton, NJ, area. I was actually surprised I made it, but it
went well. All on ASR's.
What exactly do you do in the snow and ice to need snow tires? I mean, I
am a fairly assertive driver most of the time and there is nothing I can't
do in the snow.
Just last week we had 6" (a surprise) of the white stuff and I was driving
50-55 MPH on the highway, easily passing many SUV's in the snow-packed left
lane. Do you need to go faster than that in the snow???
You have summed up Brian pretty well. He reads what we write, but then
claims we have made an argument we haven't made simply because he
refuses to accept what we actually wrote. And I've posted several
references supporting my position and he's posted none supporting his
... mainly because there is no data that supports his claim that
everyone needs winter tires.
And he refuses to take his own argument to its logical conclusion which
is that he should have both winter tires AND AWD if he is really
concerned about the best possible winter performance.
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