I need R-12

Boy I swear... Place that bottle next to your cars hot engine and tell me you feel safe.

Snoball has had his ass handed to him by aarcuda on this subject already and yet he is still spews lies. When snoball can no longer spew his bs in one group he moves to another. The problem is the facts do not change and the dangers of HC's remain.

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kudos to aarcuda for the research

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Good stuff as usual.

Yeah I cant recall ever buying a bottle of 134a from Dupont. All that lobbying sure did pay off.

Nathan, I am thinking bad o-rings as the likely cause of leak. I have had real good luck with vehicles of this vintage replacing all the o-rings. Of course if you have to pay someone to do it it sounds like a lot of labor, but really there aren't that many o-rings in the AC system of a Cherokee.

Saludos cordiales,

Earle

Bozo can run but he can't hide...

And for all of you out there that w>

Well, that's because Interdynamics and SUVA are in on it also. ;-)

Now, ya'all can listen to someone who learned everything he knows about AC while sitting around the pickle barrel, or you can listen to someone who's signature is on a shitload of 609 licenses. (I should'a bought stock in Neutronics)

To be honest, it's for my own selfish reasons...

I like my hair and my eyeballs right where they are now!

In case Snobomb couldn't figure out how to make the movie play;

That really was a FIREBALL. It really did BLOW the windows out of the car. That really was BLOOD streaming down that guys face. Those really were BANDAGES on that guys hands. It really was a MIRACLE that no one lost an eye. They really WERE demonstrating how safe HC refrigerants are. (not) YOU really ARE giving out foolish and hazardous advice.

A big tank of propane can leak and ramp up the concentration through the explosive range. So just about any fast leak rate has the potential to become explosive. A smaller mass, such as in an A/C system charge, requires an unfortunate confluence of factors to result in a similar disaster.

Having experienced a small "whump" once, I'm not inclined to risk it. An odd thing to be suddenly disoriented and smelling your own hair on fire.

Hey Abom69, I only had to read the first 20 posts to realize the idiots are still here. Spdloader, ANY type of combustible gas is BAD for ac or refrigeration in a public area. Now then, Dude, you don't need to retrofit, there is a gas called mp39. its a direct drop in for r12. its about 80% of the normal r12 charge. find it, fill it, drive it. no other mods to do. to all, there are alot of gases that have the same properties as a refrigerant, which makes them a refrigerant. anything (gases) chemicals that boil at a low temp and can be compressed are refrigerants. some are better than others with their cooling capacities, and then there are those that are toxic and flamable. A ideal refrigerant has low toxicity and low flamability. Propane is neither, but has good refrigerant capacity.

Dude, find the mp39 and youll be happy. its a direct drop in, and I would have to check, but off the top of my head, I believe it had better cooling capacity per pound...

abomb69 wrote:

You obviously don't understand what you read. I never said it was a good idea. I only passed along something I witnessed.

Spdloader

Where do you live abomb?

Spdloader

I don't remember the concentration, but the mix was on the underhood tag, and as recent as some of the 740 models.

Nothing's going on, just didn't know if you were headed back to Uwharrie. Later, Spdloader

There are volumes of tests proving that Freon (CFC) *does* destroy O3. That's what the ozone is made of. Now, the ozone has the ability to repair itself but not the rate it was being destroyed and certainly not at the rate it would be currently with all of the additional cars on the road in the US and former developing countries (like China and India) that are now buying cars with A/C like crazy.

The ban is a good thing. Especially when there are alternatives that are less destructive.

Right place, right time with the right amount of talent in that industry. Now that many of those jobs have been shipped to India and China, we'll see if they patent anything else.

To each his own. Just do what you can to take care of y/our natural environment. Everyone can contribute in some way.

Craig C.

if i make it back this year, ill most definately head to uwharrie! :-)

trouble with 401a is that its still WAY more expensive and you cannot buy it in small cans. if not converting over, 414b would be the best recommendation i could give him. especially since its available in 16oz. cans.

btw, did you see my uwharrie video from last year?

Oh yeah. That's one reason I was asking.

cool. you wanna get together and ride if i make it this year?

I'll really try, depends on when though, I'm recuperating from major shoulder surgery. Don't know when I'll be able to steer the Polaris. Keep me posted.

Spdloader

Spdloader proclaimed:

Try ammonia gas, works even better.