OT: Firearms Manufacturer Question

You are going to use it as an tactical entry weapon? Well then that changes the requirements. You would be well served with a short barreled smg or a shortened shotgun. The smg's generally have a fair rate of fire and accuracy isn't really a requirement as distances to the target are in the range of 5-20 feet. Either choice would be effective.

My preference is a shortened 12 gauge pump. I have found that the shucking sound from chambering a round is often sufficient to cause surrender.

The AR-15 is about 40 inches long and can be unwieldy in enclosed places. The newer M4 with the stock collapsed it is about 30 inches long.

The AR-18S was 22 inches long folded and about 30 inches long extended. We had a few in Vietnam with the 30 round magazines but Howa stopped building for Sterling Armaments for political reasons.

One reason is the MP5 is a submachine gun. For me to own it, I would have to pay the ATF $200 for a submachine gun tax on the weapon. The Bushmaster AR-15 M4 A3 is simi-auto. I qualified for the .223 round AR-15 as well as the M-16 and the .308 M-14 today. I can get the Bushmaster for around 800. Forgot to mention that it will be an all purpose weapon for searching wooded areas, and fields. I qualified with the 14.5 inch barrel with shots made from the 100 yard line without a scope. I feel confortable using the AR. The M-14 got heavy at the end which was at the 15 yard line, but still did good with it. Compared to the M-14, the AR felt like a featherweight.

Patrick ?Ô

in article gKLqe.1189$ snipped-for-privacy@fe04.lga, Patrick ?Ô at snipped-for-privacy@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/11/05 5:55 PM:

I wish you could try an M1a Bush Rifle (no longer sold by Springfield Arms, but the Scout Squad is the same thing basically). It is much lighter and handier than a full-size M14. On the other hand, for entry work the short AR is hard to beat, and against people ONLY the .223 is an effective cartridge.

-jeff

LOL. Check with the Colorado Springs PD about how effective the .223 was against some loose Bison a few weeks back. But that's a question of the right tool, etc. In a lot of ways, the old .45 Thompson is still pretty hard to beat.

i watched them shoot a bison down on the crow reservation with a 300 magnum. he was standing there eating and you could see the explosion in his shoulder when it hit. instead of falling over, the bison reached down for another bite. they repeated the process and he continued to eat. it took 3 shots before he fell over and even then he continued to chew for a second before dying.

I'm not belittling the local PD, but this was one for the books. 5 bison got loose while being unloaded at a local packing plant. They wandered into someone's yard and the cops were trying to 'contain' them. According to the police report, one of the bulls looked like he was charging so they opened up. 180+ rounds later, the 'stampede' was contained.

I looked at the videos my daughter shot for a local TV station and you had a bunch of cops milling around with no apparent experience around livestock trying to figure out what to do. When the bull took a couple of steps in the direction of the disturbance (the most lethargic charge you could imagine) they used the only thing they had available (although their 9mm's, shotguns, even the tasers would probably have been better). A case of the unprepared meeting the unexpected - but how many police academies have a lesson on herding buffalo?

Big furor about all the shooting. I suspect these poor 'buffalo hunters' will be the butt of much station humor for many years to come.