I have a feeling either Bill, or Nathan Collier will have good info and a good sugestion, but anyone else is welcome to voice their opinion.
I am looking for an AR-15. I have been told by one person that Rock River Arms makes the best AR-15 for the money. He says the RRA is tighter than Bushmaster and Colt. I can get a RRA for the same price as a Bushmaster. Does anyone know if these are as good as he says? I know they make competition pistols that run several thousand dollars, which is more than the quote on the AR. Any info on this matter will be great.
Patrick ?Ô
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30-06 is for light weights get a mans gun
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Chad Gore
////////// Make it the 7mm magnum !
But the bushmaster has proven it's self on and off the battlefield. If you want the Good Bushmaster "civilian M-16", get the X15E2 kit, it runs about 700.00 and you put it together,it's so simple! Get the target model with the fluted barrel. Then buy you a nice 300 yard scope with bullet compensator.
Warning "never install M-16 components into the civilian model" !! It's against the law .
An M1 garand is a good gun also ! 30.06 remington model,if you can find one, and in good shape. LOL
I am opposed to millionaires.......but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. ~Mark Twain
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Nathan W. Collier
:-) thank you.
out of curiosity, is this the same individual who is trying to sell you one?
a rock river is a fine rifle, but given the choice i would buy the bushmaster. ive owned a half dozen colt ar15s and will never own another one. ive owned 2 bushmasters (still have 1) and it is in my opinion the finest ar15 ever built. after literally tens of thousands of rounds it has _never_ jammed. not once. when i take it out i shoot 1000 rounds and in one day i shot nearly 2000 rounds without stopping to clean it at any point in between and it never failed to feed or fire. my first bushmaster jammed a few times but i finally determined it was a defective US surplus magazine. after throwing it away i never jammed that rifle either and i eventually sold it to one of my brothers.
THAT SAID, what is the purpose? my AR is fun to plink with. it is the most accurate automatic rifle ive ever owned. golf balls at 100 yards (on a dark background) are easy to pick off. prairie dogs are easy to pick off at most any range where you can still see them. if it were a matter of personal protection though, id much rather have my winchester defender 1300
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Patrick ÿÃ
I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It will be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have a shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be good for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I would go with the .308
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Yes, he is a dealer and will sell me any brand I want, he said it is up to me, he just thinks RRA is a better weapon.
It will be for tactical entry, also building clearance and house searches. I have a Glock as my duty and a baby Glock for a backup. The AR is when it all hits the fan. I want to be able to do a headshot from some distance, without hitting anything else. It will have a colapsable (sp?) stock, and a shorter barrel, haven't decided on length yet, probably around 14 - 16 inches. I will go with the .223 which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. If it was going to be a sniper setup, I would go with a 20" heavy barrel .308, but I am right now going to try to keep the weight and size down.
The RRA he quoted is 800, which is the M-4 style step barrel, with the removable handle. The Bushmaster is 785, M-4 without the removeable handle. It will be loaded with teflon coated ammunition, which is standard issue duty ammo. If it gets really bad, we have several .308 M-14's which are military surplus, and also 2 M-16's in the department. We are qualifying with the M-14's tomorrow, and I will also use someone elses AR-15 to quallify with, as well as a M-16, just in case.
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in article vssqe.1184$ snipped-for-privacy@fe06.lga, Patrick ?Ô at snipped-for-privacy@cityofvarnell.com wrote on 6/10/05 7:59 PM:
I had a Bushmaster for a while that was an excellent rifle. I'd probably buy a Bushy if I were you, because it will be easier to trade off or sell if you change your mind, as well as being assured of compatibility with parts from the biggest maker of AR parts: Bushmaster. And, in an AR intended to be used as you describe, the M4 is the way to go IMHO.
I traded mine off towards a Springfield M1a Bush rifle. That's the shorter, lighter, .308 caliber, M14 copy. I absolutely love that rifle, shoot it all the time. I felt I needed a bigger caliber than .223 for general property defense, as well as "come the revolution" when the religious right tries to take over for real , since i live in the woods and have livestock and there are cougar and bear around.
I will buy another AR if or when uppers in 6.8mm SPC become available. THAT would be useful. An M4 in that caliber would rock. On balance, I feel that the AR platform is too big and clunky to justify spitting out a .22- caliber, 60-grain bullet. I'd rather have a Mini-14, frankly, if I was stuck with .223. Or, as I said above, I think for my need the M1a Bush rifle is superb.
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BTW forgot to mention that I got a holster to put on the rollbar for my Glock 22. I will post links when I get time to do the install. Do you like it above your head like that? I was thinking about putting mine near the windshield.
Also the guy said the parts for the Bushmaster fit the RRA, so I can buy replacement parts and accessories made for the Bushmaster
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Nathan W. Collier
worth mentioning, its possible (probable) that he pays less for the rra and can make more even by selling it to you at the same price. the rra is a fine rifle and im sure it would serve you very well, but as ar's go nothing has ever gained my confidence like my bushmaster
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ah, i forgot that you were a peace officer. thank you for all that you do.
bushmaster. :-) up to 300 meters im as accurate with my bushmaster as i am with my scoped 300 ultra, and can hit consistently and rapidly.
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Nathan W. Collier
sweet, what holster did you get?
i played with different positions and prefer it as is
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for several reasons. its very convenient, anyone approaching me (while sitting in the jeep) cannot see it in that location, etc.
that right there should tell you something about bushmaster. factory support/parts availability is also second to none.
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Patrick ÿÃ
I got the Uncle Mike's Super Belt Slide Holster. It is Nylon, and looks like it will fit around the larger rollbar covers. I say larger because the
05 is a larger diameter than my 02 X was.
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Thanks for the info, I will probably follow everyone jumping over the cliff and get a bushmaster. Now to come up with some money. Guess I could sell my Tec-9.
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you really cant go wrong.
tell me about it. my next rifle will be this bushmaster
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in .308. its getting harder and harder to spend $1500 without the wifey noticing. :-)
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I believe I will go with one similar to this:
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. Now to decide if I want the 4 position selector switch or just simi-auto. Patrick ?Ô
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Coasty
I shot a Thompson Contender with a 45-70 barrel kick like a mule I would rather pull both barrels on my 12 gauge.
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>I will be using this as a tactical entry, hostile situation weapon. It will >be the .223 caliber, which is the same as the 5.56 NATO. It will have a >shorter barrell and also a colapsable (sp?) stock. 30-06 would not be good >for searching a house. If I was going to use it as a sniper riffle, I would >go with the .308
///////////// If you go to bushmaster.com,they have everything you will ever need ! Good luck !! And now back to JEEPING ..........
I am opposed to millionaires.......but it would be dangerous to offer me the position. ~Mark Twain
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Brian
For this purpose, why not get an MP-5, in the same caliber as your pistols? Leave the long gun for outdoor work.
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Rusted
It is intereseting to compare the ballistics of teh 45-70 to a 30-06.
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The good ol '06 has much more energy and velocity than the 45. And much less drop. At 500 yards the 45 has dropped 18-25 feet. It sure would be hard to hit anything out at that distance. I think the 45 would compare to a bowling ball better than anything. HA
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