Though Jeep, Libty is 100% girl car

Explain the "restrict inventory" bit, please, Bret.

Umm... My Cobra got about 17 too... that makes all three of my vehicles in the same range, but completely different.

Hmm... the same only different. I know I have heard that before :)

KJK

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My stepmother still drives the '64 Benz 220SE backfitted with the

It's too bad no one will come up with a way to put these in Jeeps because they have to be the most dependable and tough car engine ever built. The transmissions aren't as golden, but you don't want a slushbox in a offroad vehicle anyway.

I think that the truck gets right at 17 with a 7.3L 6 speed the Libby gets just under 18 (Only 1,000 miles on it though) 3.7L auto and my Cobra got 17.4 (4.6L DOHC 5 speed)

I suppose you could call them apples and oranges, I would call them all birds of a feather.

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Feh.

For a true off-road transport with a really low crawl ratio, try this one:

Bret Ludwig proclaimed:

Then I guess I'm not going to get to look at it, DANG!

Thought you were the resident liberal..... and here you are pushing a Bush Map ???

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The higher mileage is pretty much the higher compression ratios. With some of the ultra high compression gas engines in trials, don't expect gas to go away if the stability issues are solveable.

Of course the high pressure clean diesels raise that bar as well, it will be interesting to see how many folks discover diesels when the 06 american fuel standards allow them to be imported. Likely driving the price of diesel fuel even higher.

Matt Macchiarolo proclaimed:

Sure, they figure everyone will buy a gasoline car, but a diesel, or especially a propane or whatever one, is only going to sell to a specific buyer. So their policy is to "sell from stock" and aggressively deter people from buying the diesel. For the few diehards that absolutely demand the diesel they will special order, but they will do all they can to get him to buy the gas one.

Any option that makes the car unwanted by some buyer, is one that will be shunned. That's why seat belts were so hard to get put in cars until the government mandated it. At least in the US.

Maybe Europeans had more sense. Dunno.

IOW,.....right.

Individually I may feel sorry for an independent trucker, but if the truckers hadn't screwed the railroads so royally, neither of the two might be in as much trouble as they are.

Edward L. Dowdy proclaimed:

I think one of us is hallucinating and I don't think it was me, but diesel pumps were pretty much standard in many area gas/fuel stations other than the traditional truck stops. The specific regions I recall were in rather "open" territory [having worked at one such] where stations were still car, truck, and actually offered repair services.

L.W.(ßill) Hughes III proclaimed:

ROTFLMAO!!

Bunker C is a heavy oil that is like tar at room temperature. It's used by BIG diesel and steam ships and power plants. Even gas turbines can't handle it, the railroads tried and ate hot sections like popcorn. The ship diesels have to start on #2 Diesel and switch over unless they have steam fuel line heaters. I don't think any diesel engine smaller than 8" bore could run on it. Certainly not a bus.

Jason Backshall proclaimed:

Particulates and aerosols. Dirty little secret those aerosols that the diesel folks simply mutter about when asked. Far more damaging to humans than sucking the exhaust of an Excursion with a leaking injector.

Ignorance.