OT: Revisiting 'Digital Cameras'

Feb 16, 2005 40 Replies
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It's nearing 'that time' when I'll need to be replacing my trusty digital camera (a very handy, not too bad quality Fuji Finepix).



My criteria:


  • At least 6 megapixel - real, not 'interpolated' nonsense (may settle for 4).


  • High quality optics - IOW, decent lens(e) :-)

  • Compact - like "forget it's in my pocket" small.


  • Take recharge batteries - AA or AAA - NOT some expensive prop cell.

  • Takes the pic when I press the shutter - not 1 sec later...


  • Good quality flash.

  • Screen on back.


  • Tripod 'screw' on the bottom.

  • Erm... fairly robust (humph).

To give you an idea, my current camera measures 80mm x 70mm x 22mm and weighs 142g - I want something similar, but much, much better.



I'd also like some good 'manual' control over DOF, F setting and the like. Ideally pressing the shutter button half way down will lock the exposure in auto mode.



So, who can suggest wot? ;-)



Mother" like. Ideally pressing the shutter button half way down will lock the

Without a doubt the Canon G6, 7.2mp & it is a superb camera. Small (as in really small, but not silly small) & the the pictures are as good as my last camera a SLR Nikon D70. It can be bought for arounf £350 if you look around online.

Nige

-- Subaru WRX (The Bitch)

Series 3 Landrover 88" (Albert)

"If you tolerate this then your children will be next"

Nice, but too big, too heavy, no recharge batteries etc., Still, at least you're (currently) the highest bidder for a totally fecked mobile phone eh Nige?

I'm rather expecting you to come and collect it, by the way :-)

That is something that *really* bugs me about my Fuji 602!

It's fine when you remember and compensate, when you forget you miss the piccy you wanted.

I guess it's just the time to get the image from CCD to memory. Anyone know for sure?

Either way, they should list the amount of delay before picture taking in the official specs of the camera. I've not used one yet which has been as instant as i would like.

On many cameras it's the time taken for the auto focus and to some extent the auto exposure to work. A partial depress of the shutter release normally gets the camera into "will take the photo NOW" mode but sometimes this isn't particularly convenient. I hate it as well, being brought up with a fully manual, mechanical, SLR.

I just remembered that my 602 has a setting to take a bunch of pictures, one after the other, five I think, did play with the setting when I got the camera.

I can smell some RTFM coming up!

The 602 has this and I always do it, there is still a delay though.

Blasted thing.

On or around Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:31:51 +0000, Mother enlightened us thusly:

have a look here:

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navigate on the left to makes of camera, compare models to your heart's content. I found opening several tabs with different camera in each allowed pointy-clicky instant comparisons of features.

personally, I'm quite impressed with my recently (last year) acquired Olympus C-700UZ. newer ones in the series go 720, 730, 740, 760 and similar. The main advantage is full manual mode, which will indeed (provided you know what you're doing and how to set it) do instant pictures, or very nearly, as it doesn't faff around metering and focussing. The 10x zoom takes a bit of holding steady, mind, specially if you use the digital zoom on top of it. Mine has "only" 2.7x digital, so "only" 27x zoom altogether.

Oly claim equivalent to 38-380 for the optical zoom in 35mmm terms.

'snot quite that small, mind.

4AA on this'n.

Olympus seem good at "proper" camera controls. Unlike Fuji, I may say, on the ones I've seen - never really had a play with one of the serious fujis though.

latest ones in the series seem to be C770 and c765; very simialr specs at

4MPix, but both appear to use proprietary batteries.

C750-UZ appears to be the last of the "proper-battery" ones, and in fact not far off the same spec, still 3.9Mpix (4.1Mpix sensor, I believe) and very simialr controls. The C770 appers to get you a remote contorl and more video capacity inluding Mpeg-4.

The C750 seems about the same spec as mine, with more modern memory (XD) and bigger sensor.

Personally, I rate buying digital cameras from camera makers... they seem make a better job of the camera side. There are some very nice minlotas around now as well...

If you read the reviews, some people slag off the C7xx series for being difficult to use. My take on that is that if you don't know enough about pohotgrahpy, you'll stick it on auto mode and end up trying to take pictures with a 300+mm effective lens and using 1/30s shutter speed, which ain't gonna work unless you're really clever.

On or around 17 Feb 2005 08:50:24 GMT, Simon Barr enlightened us thusly:

mostly metering and focusing, I reckon, and white-balancing. On mine, if I set everything to manual it reduces the latency amazingly.

You could well be right there.

A lot of the time I do things manually, but, if I don't think I have time to mess around, I pick auto, as by the time you've got the exposure, etc right it's too late.

I did this at the weekend thinking I was going to get a picture of a Disco at the bottom of a hole, whereas due to the delay what I got was a picture of a Disco after it climbed out. The camera was set to auto then.

Yet more RTFM coming up.

for my money - fuji s5500. this is bigger than your current camera though.

also you could find a used olympus c-750-uz (4mp). it is THE best 'compact' camera by far. make no mistake.

Mark.

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The G6 has rechargeable batteries & In Tokyo I carried it in my pocket. Takes superb pictures & the battery lasts ages too.

Nige

I like my Cannon Ixus i but takes cannon batteries, it did well on my holiday anyway a spare battery meant I didn't run out. I was looking for the smallest camera I could and that came along at a bargain price (£125 new)

-- Jon

If you want small then I go with the Canon Ixus suggestion. I have the Ixus

40 and am well pleased. Drop in it your pocket and forget about it. Even with the leather case for protection it is still extremely neat. Not had problems with battery lasting a good day out.

If you really want the AA or AAA option then you almost certainly have to give up a little on the size and weight.

Hope this helps

Or there is a super thin little Sony dsc-t1 which has an (relatively) huge screen on the back. Completely fails to meet most of your citeria, Martin, but I was gob-smacked when I saw the image quality, given the thing is so thin you could comfortably have it in the top pocket of a shirt and forget it's there.

As an added (minority interest) bonus, there is an underwater case available for divers. A mate took one to the Red Sea recently, and I was expecting to be able to take the p**s out of his "toy" camera, but ended up very impressed. David

The original reference is to how long after you push the shutter release does the shutter actually fire.

But you do raise the issue of boot up time. I have a Casio that takes

10 to 15s from switch on to being ready but it can go fully manual and has B setting which many digitals don't. This camera now does rostrum service for SWMBO'd ebay items and by me for taking shots of the Aurora, which it does pretty well.

I carry a Minolta DiMage Xt which is pretty good but does vinette fully wide, has virtually no manual control, proprietary battery and only 3 something mega pixel. But it does boot quickly, take it out press the on/off button and it'll be ready by the time you have it up to your eye and pointing in the right direction.

I was about to suggest you a get DSLR, prices are dropping all the time.....then I read the 'must be small' bit!!!

With a pro quality lens attached a DSLR starts to weigh in at several kilos- but then again the better quality CCD's and decent lenses mean way better pictures than most compacts will ever produce.

You pays yer money....

Nevillef

Which is why I added the part about memory card size and speed. Most of the time taken to capture an image (assuming the shutter is cocked to capture focus and exposure information) is in writing the data. It's not possible to compare accurately unless like media is being used. The size of the memory card in particular leads to delays in processing, plus the speed of the memory.

As an aside, the Sony also has a fast shoot mode, for capturing successive images, and also a short MPEG mode.

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