Taco's in private vehicles (Slightly OT)

I bet they havent even considered the implications of how it will affect older and specialist vehicles. Kind of like 101 ambis which end up in a special no-mans land due to the original weight which means that no agency really know what to do with them!

I'd suggest you contact either the Military Vehicle Trust or the Invicta Military Vehicle Preservation Society, these two have been very active in sorting out the frequent laws that are passed that inadvertently capture more than the chavs they're aimed at, e.g. bans on replica guns that affected historical re-enactments, tank owners, etc etc.

I'm reasonably sure I saw sommat about the tachometers in a recent issue of the MVT's Windscreen magazine, so best see if you can get some guidance.

No they don't, but organisations of like-minded people do, which is why it's important to join such organisations such as the Military Vehicle Trust or the Invicta wassname long title society. They do actually make a very significant difference and have been instrumental in pointing out the dafter aspects of some legislation and had them modified. We do live in a democracy despite the poo-poohs of the quitters.

Thanks for that, just had a look at the latest MVT mag and yes their are a couple of lines in it. Also found

which does say vehicles over 25 years will not be required to fit one. (Does nothing for mine though which was manufactured in 1985- so guess it will have to stay in the barn till 2010 even though its very unusual)

> which does say vehicles over 25 years will not be required to fit one. (Does > nothing for mine though which was manufactured in 1985- so guess it will > have to stay in the barn till 2010 even though its very unusual) I suppose it'll depend on how easy it is to fit a tachograph on yours, might be worth doing if you don't find any way around this. Laws are fiendishly complicated, for example while reading your link above I noticed that I'd need a new license to carry more than 8 people in the pinz despite being assured by DVLA that it's legal for me to carry 14 people in it without problems or seatbelts in the back due to the vehicle age. Perhaps there's some exemption elsewhere that none of us have noticed yet, so keep an eye on the military comics. Chances are there'll be a piece of legislation that requires your firstborn even if you want to look at an MV though..

Just out of interest, what is it? Did you say it was a MAN 8x8 or am I getting conversations mixed up?

Also from the same link;

"2.21 The proposed restrictions on use were considered by many to be particularly onerous given that certain other journeys would continue to be excluded - such as journeys between storage facilities, to or from an owner's home for cleaning and preparation (prior to taking a vehicle to a rally), trips to fuel stations, and occasional / random runs to help familiarise the driver with the controls of the vehicle and to ensure that the vehicles are kept in good working order."

Does that not provide enough wriggle room to allow you to go for at least a weekly tootle to keep the thing in working order? And could you afford the fuel for the MAN to go for much more than a weekly tootle ;-) I drive the pinz for at least an hour a week, half an hour in one direction, then half an hour back home, to keep it working. Hopefully you'll still be able to do at least do that for the next few years.

And is the above even relevant being as it's a document about comments on a proposed set of local interpretations of EU law, i.e. several levels removed from what may or may not be implemented..

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I suspect civil servants rather than ministers, though there's enough stupidity to go around. This country has a reputation for "gold-plating" EU laws, as any farmer will tell you at great length.

Strictly, the EU law is a "directive", since the variations in the judicial systems in each country make a general law impossible. What is the definition of a "highway" or a "public place", and what's the equivalent in France, Greece, or Poland?

There is, alas, a certain class of business which will exploit any loophole they see. Driving hours, speed limits, and the working time directive are obvious areas for the crooks to exploit.

(I've worked 12-hour days as a farmer, and any manufacturing company expecting 12-hour shifts on a long term basis, even shoehorned into weekly time limits, is arguably breaking Health and Safety laws on a safe working environment.)

As so often happens, a few crooks get away with breaking existing laws, and the solution is new laws imposed on the rest of us.

In article , Nick writes

We get *exactly* the politicians we deserve, which currently means self-serving so-and-sos.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, but it's not really optional: the price in a democracy of not being vigilant is government by cheats and liars.

If you want it changed, look in the mirror: therein lies the means to achieve it. If YOU don't care enough to do something about it, don't complain if it doesn't happen.

Regards,

Simonm.

Yes but this effects so few people how can you get them to listen, even if it effects millions they still don't listen and just come out with more spin.The only way now seems to be the media. Though the media, in my view, is the reason we have all this stupidity and the blatant dismissal of 'common sense'. Why give air time to crackpots?

Ah. For a minute I though this was going to be a thread about take-away Mexican foodstuffs.

You were not alone... I thought it may be a menu for the next unofficial barbie :-)

well It's got my mouth watering if nothing else.

Lee D

On or around Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:59:26 -0000, "Rich B" enlightened us thusly:

I was resisting the obvious fish-in-barrel, there. Also wondered how long it would take...

IRTA "Bugger, someone else got there first." :-)

"Austin Shackles" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

I was sorely tempted and SWMBO makes the genoo-ine article on account of being brunged up on them bubba and having mexican neighbours when she lived back home in the good old US of A. I have tried them but wasn't that impressed and their close relatives tomales are pure cack like something a bit more spicy Rogan Josh! I think its probably the thin end of the wedge tacho- wise the digital crap is also to be compulsory and they are even more expensive as I have mentioned before though I am not sure whether they need to be fitted retrospectively beyond a certain age of vehicle.

Derek I use head shoulders and kurust on my hair

This is the problem, more and more legislation is starting to be applied retrospectively.

For example large vans 3.5t to 7.5t are now (1st Jan 2007) required to be fitted with speed limiters (56mph) if they were registered after Oct 2001 (approx can't remember exact date) and when fitted they cant use the 3rd lane of a motorway. This is even though the speed limit is 70mph!

Its better than that my new Daf doesn't have to be limited until next year so I can still honk along at 70 and use the outside lane but if you have a slightly older one it has to be limited . Farcical state of affairs the whole point of the 7 tonners is to do those rush jobs which are out of gauge for a tranny or out of range for a heavy the net result will be bigger trucks blocking little country lanes trying to do those jobs out in the wilds as there will be no advantage to an operator to run 7 tonners.

Derek Thsick,Thsick,Thsick up to here. ¬i

On or around Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:00:46 -0000, "Rich B" enlightened us thusly:

nah, I thought of it same as you did when I read it.