The new Frontera??

They must wish, GM's concept 4x4 but with the current financial problems at GM its likely to be a while before production versions see the light of day.Which may be a little late given that Mazda's CX7 is going into to production now what does that remind you of?

amazing coincidence or what?Derek

That's bloody horrible isn't it?

"Derek" wrote after

If you think that's strange you should see the new Civic, got caught in traffic with one the other day.

Anyway, it's to be made in Malasia or is it S. Korea and will have other badges for other markets. Due for sale in the UK in Autumn 2006 (about the same time as the new Freelander).

In fact 2006 looks like a vintage year for new 4x4s (again from Autocar) Toyoto RAV4...March Suzuki SX4.....spring Jeep Commander, Cherokee SRT8 ...summer Jeep Compass/ Patriot.....summer Mercedes "G" Class.... summer (RR & Cayenne alternative now) Frontera.... autumn Freelander ....November Nissan Qashqai....December

Icky If youve got a problem stuff a worm in it! Berk trapdoor

"icky" wrote after ...

Probably looks better in the metal, only a year to wait.

BTW did you go to the next 10 videos? Take a look at the Cosworth V8 F1 engine on the Dyno and watch the rev counter.

and not a single off-roader........... ;-)

Richard

Ye Gods! I thought the Cayenne was ugly

Rabbits

Thought Jeep Cherokee's were acceptable but perhaps only if they are approaching 10, then what do I know?

As for the name of the Nissan, HTF do you pronouce that Cash Cow?

yep but if you want truly horrible you have to ask the French

the name is churningly awful CsportLounge ? no doubt with the famous build quality that makes Lego look impressiveor from across the pond at the Detroit motorshow looks like those Asian lads in the Peugeot advert have gone to work on a new Disco with that pet elephant. Its a Nissan concept model for the US market and they must have asked Norm and Cliff for marketing ideas after a particularly long session at CheersDerek

Richard wrote ... after "Bob Hobden" rambled on ((snip)):

I'm not so sure about that, one of the Jeeps, the Patriot, will be a proper

4x4 not a Softroader and the "G" Wagon might well give the Rangie a shock, after all, the old version ain't bad.

Derek came up with the following;:

even the name is churningly awful CsportLounge ? no doubt with the famous> build quality that makes Lego look impressive> or from across the pond at the Detroit motorshow> which looks like those Asian lads in the Peugeot advert have gone to work> on a new Disco with that pet elephant. Its a Nissan concept model for> the US market and they must have asked Norm and Cliff for marketing> ideas after a particularly long session at Cheers Looks like a Paintshop cross between a Mini, a Range Rover and a Renault Vel Satis (?)

"Paul - xxx" > wrote t...

> even the name is churningly awful CsportLounge ? I actually like the look of that, it's so Citroen, back to the days when they made unusual looking vehicles full of innovation and then suffered because they were the first and had to iron out all the bugs. Take a look at a Light 15, and compare it with what our car industry were making at the time.

>> even the name is churningly awful CsportLounge ?>

One of our local main agents has (very proudly) got a stack of "What Car" supplements on their counter today. This compares a lot of the competition with Discovery III. The Discovery III wins, but, though I looked through the whole thing, there was absolutely no mention of the really critical stuff - ground clearence, approach angles, breakover angles, max tilt, wading depth etc, etc.

Says an awful lot about the current 4x4 market, and even more about the mag!

Richard

On or around Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:25:35 -0000, "Bob Hobden" enlightened us thusly:

>> even the name is churningly awful CsportLounge ?>

and the DS...

Richard wrote after...

Those things are of no interest to the vast majority of customers, indeed they wouldn't know or care what those phrases meant, they buy for other reasons. Very few buyers of new ones want them or need them for their real 4 x 4 ability and if they were only bought by those that do they wouldn't be made, it would be uneconomic. We have something to thank these buyers for after all. :-)

>> even the name is churningly awful CsportLounge ?>

Yes you have a point there Bob the Traction Avant was french car ahead of its time when our industry was just building the Jaguar XK120, Morris Minor Traveller. Triumph TR2 roadster,Austin Champ,AC Ace which you have to admit were pretty iconic in their own right sadly that was when we still had a motor industry .You the remember to keep it on perspective the 2CV was about at that time . I have a deal of respect for the Maserati engined SM but as you say if you can't iron out the bugs in your technology you are dans Creek de' Merde and god knows the suspension problems were known about for long enough probably why BMC had a try at the idea as well( idiots). Derek

On or around Thu, 15 Dec 2005 22:34:39 GMT, "Derek" enlightened us thusly:

To be fair, there's not a lot wrong with the Citroen's suspension. OK, you get problems with rust making the pipes fail, but that's more penny-pinching by accountants - it's exactly the same reason why your brake pipes rust on pretty much any vehicle - steel ones are cheaper for the manufacturer to fit that corrosion-resistant ones such as Kunifer, or better yet suitable stainless steel.

And the 2CV was for years the only production saloon capable of crossing the Sahara unmodified. 2CV's do very well in RTV trials,reportedly usually finishing in the top of the lower half.

Richard

Until they get us banned (taxed out of existence) - it will happen, the question is only when.

Richard