Here's my humble opinion since I have had both.
The ES300 (which I now have) has a better turning radius than my Camry. It
drives, for me, an lot smoother on the highway. It has a lot more amenities
like heated front seats, ABS, bunch of other stuff. I have had 4 Camry's
before this ES and really like them but the ES is just a step above the
Russ's Signature Page
New Camry can have heated seats, ABS is standard here in Canada with the V6.
The V6 VVTi engine is now on the Camry too, at least here in Canada. Used to
be that the VVTi heads were reserved for the ES300, that changed here in mid
I'd say extra insulation, different suspension tuning, trim differences, and
extra dealer care (and profit for both the dealer and Toy) are the biggest
difference to the XLE
They certainly do use the same body shell, and I would expect one to last
just as long as the other.
Are the extra comforts, insulation, dealer care worth the extra $$ to you?
So that means, other than the extra insulation, the engine are pretty much
the same as well as the performance.. Then I should ask myself whether the
$10K price difference worths the supsension, service and trimming.
Heard that. I still have the original clutch, etc. I taught my son to
drive stick two summers ago. He drives it on weekends, and I think that
he dogs it. I am about to take it in for its annual check up. I too,
plan to make 300,000 miles.
David Cutler wrote:
Back to your original question. I've just traded in my 2000 ES 300, and my
wife is still driving her V6 2000 Camry. I just picked up the new 2003 ES,
and love it, but for your question - 2000 ES or new Camry - I've got to tell
you, it's the Camry hands down.
The 2000 ES was the end of that style, while the Camry was completely redone
in 2001 or 2002. While the 2000 ES served me well for a long time, the
truth is, it wasn't far removed from the Camry pedigree. Other than some
trim and comfort features, you could jump back and forth between the two
cars and never know the difference.
The new Camry, however, is considerably bigger and better inside, and the
amenities have grown although the price is roughly unchanged. So, look at
it this way, would you rather have the redesigned Camry, or an older Camry
with a nice L on the hood. I know how I'd go...
(Iona Camry) wrote:
You're getting mixed up, I'm not the original poster nor did I ask a
You're not comparing a 2000ES with a 2003 Camry, are you? Fact is both
the Camry and the ES have the same design cycle.
And if I may add to the comparison: The ES has the alarm fob built
into the key, so you carry only one piece, not the usual two when you
go drive the car.
I don't have that option in my ES 300, but mine has the
Automatic Headlight Leveling system.
To test it, I need a couple of overweight people to sit in
the rear seats of my ES 300 at night to see if the headlights
do actually point a couple of degrees lower when I start the car.
On second thoughts, maybe I'll just skip this test :)
I test drove an 02 ES 300 with the adaptive variable suspension. The
difference between the settings were hardly noticeable and I also did not
notice much of a difference in handling. In fact, I bought a new GS 300,
since I thought the suspension on the ES 300 was way too soft, even with the
variable suspension set on the firmest position. If you go with the ES,
test drive one with and without the variable suspension. The variable
suspension is not worth the money, in my opinion. I have read reviews from
professional auto testers which have said the same.
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