1994 VW Golf 1.8 CL - performance increase?

Hi all, After a lot of looking around for a cheap secondhand car to replace my aging Cavalier, I have settled on a 1994 Golf 1.8 CL.

I'm generally very happy about it (given the money I had to spend) but it has to be said that the performance/acceleration seems a bit unimpressive.

After looking around on the web it appears that the CL 1.8 produces 75 bhp as opposed to the 1.8 GL which is 90 bhp - ......I think.

Would this be a carburretor thing?

I'm not a boy racer, (honest! Too old for one thing) but are there any sensible ways I could increase the performance a little?

Any general pointers about the car much appreciated as I'm generally pretty ignorant on the motor front.

many thanks.

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We're talking post 92, so all have fuel injection. In the case of the golf- its because the 75 has single point fuel injection- one injector in a carbutettor style housing feeding all cylinders- obviously a wet style inlet manifold- whereas the 90 has multipoint- an injector for each cylinder and a dry inlet manifold.

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Quite. To see the look on the be-Corsa-ed-pimpley-faced-youth-with-Peco-drainpipe-exhaust-instant-+100bhp last week when I easily burnt him off in our S70 (2.5 10v) added enormously to the ego!

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Hello,

That seems like a crap engine as a Ford Fiesta 1.2 will produce that sort of power! You can't make a slow car go faster - you just need one with a bigger engine and that's the mistake the boy racers all make. They often have tales of burning off a fairly decent sensible car at the traffic lights, but forget to mention the other driver is having a fit of laughing. The best place to see their efforts is at

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The money they spend on girlie plastic bits to stick everywhere could have been saved towards a better NORMAL car. I often doubt which side a person bats for when they're in a Clio (woman's car) with a cloned friend clad in tracksuits and hats and requiring a booster cushion to see over the steering wheel.

You wouldn't believe how many complete idiots fit an induction kit which only sucks in hot air from around the engine, then fit a massive exhaust and THINK the car is really fast as it's noisy. It's funny when they say "that's an extra 5BHP for the filter and 10BHP for the exhaust", but that's what advertisers have told them. They say anything to sell a product as none of the claims can be substantiated. You're better off leaving the car the way it is, not invalidating your insurance and risking prosecution, accepting it and enjoying a nice QUIET drive!

If you wanted to be really mad, you could have bought a golf diesel automatic and fitted a nitrous oxide kit as shown on one of the CH4 car programmes! Never seen anything like it - and a diesel.

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By far the most cost effective way of increasing the performance of it would be to sell it and buy something that does what you want...

Did you not notice how slow it was when you test drove it?

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It's all about torque and powerband. Something a Fester 1.25 doesn't have.

Well, it has a powerband, but it's very narrow. Don't get me wrong, that's great in a little supermini, but not so great in a heavy old tank like a Golf MkIII.

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On 14-Aug-04 18:26:55, Adrian said

Perhaps you could read what I wrote (and you quoted) above.

I am generally very happy with it, and I can't see that I'll do much better, given the funds I have available....

However, I would be even happier with it if the performance could be improved somewhat.

And guys, can I just say, this is not about trying to impress, or a substitute for a large penis. I would just be a bit happier if I could confidently and safely get past "that caravan" (for example) on a given stretch of straight road.

My main priorities were something I could afford (obviously) and would hopefully last me a few years.

As I said, I know very little about engines and their workings, but from my standpoint, it seemed reasonable to assume that some improvement may be possible, given the difference in horsepower between the CL (75) and GL (90) 1.8 engines.

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Thanks for the info. I'm guessing that's not something that you could sensibly upgrade to?

And presumably there would be other differences in the respective engines as well?

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why not, you could take all the weight out of it

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I did.

I presume from the fact that you're asking that you don't know much about mechanicals, so somebody else would be doing the work. At a guess, you'd be looking at somewhere around £4-500 for the entire injection system to be swapped over for the multipoint from a scrapped 90bhp car. Assuming there's no suspension and brake differences. Then the insurance would be loaded, as the car's modified, so you'd be paying more per year to insure than you would if you sold the car and bought something else. Probably another hundred quid or so per year, together with less choice in insurance company.

On a car worth around a grand. Aging Golfs are *terrible* value for money.

That grand could buy you a LOT better car than a ten year old blue-rinse Golf. Used cars are cheap as chips now.

Of course it's possible, it just doesn't make economic sense. See the recent thread about fitting power steering to an aging Fiesta.

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On 15-Aug-04 07:41:55, Adrian said

That's right.

Okay Adrian, that pretty much covers it. Thanks.

:) That's easy for you to say.

Bear in mind that if you are not knowlegable, the whole thing becomes a bit of a gamble. But I've been looking around for a couple of weeks now, and I don't think I've seen anything that makes the Golf look like a bad deal. But again, I don't have contacts or knowledge, and I've just been looking on the internet (locally) checking classified ads and postcards in local shops. :)

Anyway thanks for the info.

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You wouldnt realistically be able to change from the single to multipoint without afair bit of rewiring and chaging the ecu for the multipoint version.

The engines are the same save for a lower compression on the 75 and a different cam.

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Angus Manwaring (angus@angusm_ANTISPEM_.demon.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Apart from it not doing what you want?

Autotrader.co.uk, loot.co.uk, ebay all have plenty of decent value used cars (and plenty of absolute sheds, sure). At that price range, avoid traders like the plague - there's next to no margin for them to make a living off.

Avoid "reputable" cars like Golfs, too - they're a big chunk older/lower spec for your money, and go for bigger cars if possible. A grand will get you something like a perfectly good '96 Vauxhall Omega or Vectra - bigger and two or three years *newer* than your Golf. Looking at Autotrader, though, it looks like a mk 3 Golf isn't even grand-territory yet... A grand seems to be getting '90 mk 2 Golfs. Ludicrous.

As far as not being knowledgable making it a bit of a gamble - hasn't that always been the case? At least now it's possible to buy a half decent used car for peanuts, so there's not a massive outlay on what may turn out to be a shed.

Do you have a mate who may be able to help you sort the wheat from the chaff?

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On 16-Aug-04 07:51:08, Adrian said

I did use autotrader quite a bit, but ebay (AFAIK) doesn't let you search by locality, .....and my instinct is that I would be more vulnerable to being ripped off/misled on ebay.

Hey, that's the car I love you're talking about now! :)

I thought about a Vectra, basically because my Cavalier has been a good soldier. But it woul'nt fit in my garage, and this mean my wife would fill it up with junk in the wink of an eye.

Also, and I accept this is highly debatable, there is quite a lot of negative stuff written about the Vectra both by press and drivers.

So (in my ignorance) I was thinking about an Escort (not very sensible, perhaps, but I've always liked them) or an Astra.

I couldn't find a recent enough Escort, last shape, that a) I could afford, and b) didn't have too much rust on the wheel Arches.

On the day I bought the Golf, I had visited a place with an Escort and an Astra. The Escort had done 105 thousand, and although only an S reg was showing a small but worrying amount of rust inside the engine compartment.... The Astra had been stripped by some crooks earlier that week - they had taken out the security TV first.

To avoid the roadworks we he been stuck in on the way there, I went back through some country lanes, and came across the Golf by chance.

The rest is history - I'm hopeful it will be a long and happy one. :)

Well, as I say its a done deal now, and I agree that the market is pretty good, but it doesn't change the fact that ignorance can be expensive.

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