renault wheel bearings

Until the day you are left with a car in bits and are walking around with a hub assembly under your arm looking for a garage / workshop that will press the bearing in or out !..

Then I would dig the press out. The point is that under normal circs. a large good quality vice will fulfil an amazing variety of jobs, including pressing bushes and bearings in and out. The last time I absolutely had to use the press was to dismantle part of a boat engine which had corroded with salt water (or was it to straighten motorcycle fork tubes) Oh, God. I have become a forgetful old git. Must be that piece of vice lodged in my brain.

Incidentally can jerry explain why Record still list a 1 ton and 3 ton vice (machine mart website) or do you think that is their weight?

mrcheerful

Yes you would, but what about the poor sod who you told could use a vice ?...

Laguna rear bearings need a press.

Rubbish.

Please also explain your assertion that vices cannot exert a pressing force.

mrcheerful

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Yup - but till then we've made do. That's largely what this groups is about - people who want to make do rather than always (or in my case ever) go to a garage. Actually apart from tyres and exhausts the only time I've used a garage in the last ten years was to press a wheel bearing in on my Maestro! Next time I'll make up a press from a 12 tonne bottle jack and some scrap steel - I can do it for about £30.

The fact that Jerry cannot change wheel bearings without a press and umpteen genuine special tools does not surprise me, I surmise that he (she,it) is young. Any genuine experienced engineer would just apply some engineering principles and do the job with the equipment available (making tools as appropriate). I hope you (jerry) are never relied upon to "do the job" in the event of an emergency.

mrcheerful

Yes you do talk rubbish.

I never said that, go and get a clue !

Why not just use your 3ton vice, like Mr (Bodger) cheerful does.......

Any idiot can do the job wrong, those who know when to use / need a press tend to do the job correctly.

Yes, you did, you said "a vice is not a press" A vice can exert a pressing force, that is why manufacturers list them by their "pressing capacity" measured in tons.

It is quite evident that you (Jerry)are a foolish child.

Grow up and come back.

mrcheerful

Just threaten him with an airbag:-)

God you are clue less,

A vice can exert a pressing

But they are NOT a press, otherwise they would be called a PRESS, let alone a hydraulic press, you really are one sure ignorant idiot. What can't you comprehend about the defences between a press and a vice ? :~(

BTW, what is the height of your vices jaws from the moving bed ?....

Pot, kettle, black.

They're not called a press because you can do ther things with them as well. Besides there exist hydraulic & pneumatic vives just as there exist screw jack presses. If it fit's in a vice & you're not exceeding the load limit of the vice you won't have any difference to a press in functionality or safety. & exceeding the limit on a press is just as daft as doing it on a vice.

Ignorant people often cannot get their spelling or grammar correct :)

I did not say that a vice (common or garden type) is an hydraulic press, but it can perform press operations. There is no "defence" between my press and my vice, they are not in opposition. Assuming you mean difference, then the operation is the same, two parts can be moved in relation to each other to exert a pressing force between them. You can use a "press" as a vice to hold things still, or would you say that you cannot?

My bench vice has a little over 4 inchs from the centre of the jaw surfaces to the surface covering the screw thread. This is adequate for every hub assy I have needed to fit. There is a bit more space towards the ends of the jaws if something were a little bigger, but that would put a twisting strain on the vice :)

mrcheerful

That is the point, you can't exert the forces required to put a modern (one piece) wheel bearing in without exceeding the limit of the vices CLAMPING action. The clamping force is there to HOLD a work piece whilst other work is carried out. A vice is not a press and a press is what you need to push in the wheel bearings under discussion.

Oh p*ss off you ignorant little troll, those who are loosing the argument start to point out spelling and grammar mistakes to disguise their total ignorance, just like you are doing now.

Yes you are, you are saying that there is no need for hydraulic press as a vice will do the same job.

So you have obviously not changed many bearings then ! You total oaf !

Just face it, you are nothing but an ignorant bodger, go and get a clue before you f*ck up your next customers car, or the last one comes back.

You just haven't got a clue have you. Have any of us said that it was? A vice is a tool the same as any other. A good engineer uses the tools he has available to do the job. If that means using a vice as a press, and the pressure required is less than the capability of the vice, why not use it as such? Apart from that it can be more convenient, and is more sensitive than most presses. Ideal for those jobs that need careful pressure.

Your assertion that a vice is "just for HOLDING" clearly demonstrates your ignorance of what is acceptable w/shop practice, and shows that you don't really know what you are talking about.

I suggest you stop trying to convince others with greater knowledge than yourself, that you are right, and they are wrong. You're just making yourself look foolish. Mike.

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember "mrcheerful ." saying something like:

I tend to use a vice for relatively low force pressing operations, but am leary of straining the vice threads, so move onto a proper press when needed.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, and all tools are designed to do a job.

Yes, and a good engineer will use the correct tool for the job (or the best he has available).

If that means

Because the vice in this instance can not possibly excert the force a press can, or that needed unless it is forced. The prome function of a vice is to clamp (hiold), nothing more and as a good engineer (opposed to one that is nothing but a bodger) you would know that.

That is nothing but total BOLLOCKS and you know it is, a hydraulic press can be far more sensitive than a vice - for one thing you have a pressure gauge on the press, something you don't have on a vice, so when the bearing needs x tons of pressure you know what is being excreted and if there are any problems (worn or binding housing etc.).

And you do, your previous sentence just shows how little you really know. What might be your acceptable practice is not what is acceptable to those who know what they are talking about - especially when the correct tools are available.

Stop talking about yourself.

Who was that? Give me a name. As a press, or instead of a press, but I haven't noticed anyone who said it actually was a press.

Or a number of jobs. You're really are showing your ignorance if you think a vice can, or indeed should, only be used for one purpose.

What if the best tool to use is a vice. Even if a press is available?

So if a vice can exert 3 tons of pressure, one should never use that pressure or less for any other purpose than holding? What complete and utter nonsense. Say that in an engineering w/shop, and you'd be a laughing stock. I'm finding your argument quite amusing myself.

Many don't. and there are also many types of presses.

something you don't have on a vice, so when the bearing needs

I know what's being excreted all right. It begins with S and ends with T.

And I'm not necessarily talking about pressing bearings in or out. My argument is with your assertion that 'a vice is only for holding'

Saying that the prime function of a vice is to clamp or hold, by implication, means it has other functions. Mind telling me what they are.

I make my living as a precision engineer. From your posts I doubt if you can say the same. You come across as a youngster who thinks he knows it all. I have news for you. You don't.

Common response of an immature adult. And I use the term adult with reservations. Mike.