Woohoo! New vehicle category on my licence!

Such as lights, brakes, wipers, etc? Details, details!

Reply to
Davey
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No mention of Segways there. Which bits do you think can not be overcome?

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

Lights can be fitted, and I understand it can slow effectively. No need for wipers on motor bicycles.

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

Nope.

If you view it as an electrically-assisted bicycle, which is the class of vehicle it's closest to, then such minor details such as a lack of the required pedals for the electricity to assist, fifteen times the maximum allowable power output, being too heavy for the maximum allowable weight.

Next most likely step up is to view it as an electric motorbike - and that starts to bring in a whole raft of different C&U fails - as well as the requirement for registration/licence/insurance/helmet etc.

Reply to
Adrian

As illegal as a mini-moto or a Segway for use in a public area.

Reply to
Adrian

The are not road-legal as sold in the UK, but that does not mean they are prohibited.

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

The licence requirement has just been clarified. Registration, insurance and helmets are possible.

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

Yep. The trouble is, they are gone and hidden before anyone has a chance to do anything.

Reply to
Davey

Exactly.

Oh, it can all be overcome, should there be the desire to do so. That's the easy bit.

The fact that their current illegality due to not meeting C&U NEEDS to be overcome to enable them to be used legally is kinda my point.

Reply to
Adrian

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"Personal transporters, such as the Segway Personal Transporter are powered by electricity and transport a passenger standing on a platform propelled on two or more wheels. They are capable of speeds up to 12 mph. Under current legislation, the Department for Transport considers Segway Personal Transporters as motor vehicles, subject to road traffic laws."

and after much more in the same vein

"Because self-balancing Personal Transporters do not meet the relevant requirements for use on UK roads, and because there is no separate legislation here for public road use by non-EC type-approved vehicles, they cannot be registered and licensed for use on a public road. As a consequence, any user of such a vehicle on a public road is likely at the very least to be committing the offences of using the vehicle without insurance and using the vehicle without an excise licence. Self balancing scooters do not currently meet the legal requirements and therefore are not legal for road use."

and then

"Because Segways cannot be licensed for use on a road, they do not come within the categories of vehicle covered by a driving licence (the categories of vehicle which a driver is licensed to drive can be found on the reverse of the photo-card driving licence). Therefore, any person using a Segway on a road will be driving otherwise than in accordance with a driving licence. An analogy can be drawn from the case of DPP v Hay where it was held that once the prosecution have proved that the defendant drove the motor vehicle on a road, it is then for the defendant to show that he held a driving licence and that there was in force an appropriate policy of insurance, since these are matters that are peculiarly within his knowledge."

Reply to
Robin

Which bits of C&U do you think need to be overcome, for daytime use?

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

AIUI a '60s velo-solex is not type-approved, but can get SVA.

Which is very tortuous reasoning from 'can not be registered'. The UK does not have a monopoly on registering vehicles, and some Segways are registered (and insured, and the owner has a suitable licence).

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

but not in the UK, Segways do not meet UK type approval, and unless redesigned in a major way they never will.

Reply to
Mrcheerful

There is no requirement for a vehicle to be UK type approved before being used on UK carriageways.

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

you would be unable to register it without, unless you got sva, which segways do not meet the requirements of.

Reply to
Mrcheerful

There is also no requirement to register in the UK.

unless you got sva, which

In what way do (already registered overseas) Segways not meet the requirements?

Reply to
Nick Finnigan

Ask the DVLA. Do Segways have mechanical brakes, for example?

Reply to
Mrcheerful

It meets the relevant C&U regs.

No import over 10yo needs SVA or a CoC, an MOT is perfectly sufficient.

Reply to
Adrian

There is a requirement for a vehicle to be reciprocally legal in the country it's registered in, if the temporary import regs are met. Which includes not being used by a UK resident...

Reply to
Adrian

Should say that "the relevant C&U regs" means those applicable at the date of first registration.

Reply to
Adrian

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