Buying trouble?

So ?

Er, have you gone mad ?

Quite obviously the *factory-produced* T16 Turbo engine is clearly less likely to go wrong than the aftermarket-conversion on the 1.6 Honda lump !

Exactly.

The chances of them spending *vast* sums of money doing a proper job, to end up with LESS power than the factory Turbo model, are clearly ZERO - unless the owner was a complete loon.

It's infinately more likely that he's just bolted some bits on for a nice power hike.

in news:1gmn2mw.v6v4yxa8cfz5N% snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk, snipped-for-privacy@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) slurred :

Um, I think it's the 130BHp DOHC 16v lump.

in news: snipped-for-privacy@news.cable.ntlworld.com, Lordy.UK slurred :

Not true at all. The forces on the internals due to the high-rpm nature of the engine mean that they are actually _very_ strongly built. They are very suitable for turbo-ing - the internals will stand very significant boost pressures, as long as you limit the rev-range. The basic B16a lump, when turbo'd and rev limited to 6000rpm will happily and reliably produce

200HP. There are 1/4 mile civics running 400HP on stock internals. Obviously that wouldn't survive for many miles of normal driving, but it's remarkable that a 1.6 engine can produce that sort of power even briefly without mincing itself.

...which is why he's left the name and phone number of the company that converted it, for all the read in the listing, isn't it...

Neither of which were fitted to a Rover 200.

Yet again, you show your ignorance.

That is the *SOHC 16v* Honda lump...

The DOHC makes another 15bhp on basically the same bottom end, due to better gasflow etc.

Both however, are 16v, no question.

It's the SOHC Honda lump, no question.

This car clearly states it has a Honda engine:

Exactly the same, SOHC, 16v, engine.

Another big giveaway on these... unlike most FWD cars, the gearbox is mounted to the offside, rather than the nearside.

Definitely the SOHC...

The 1.6 SOHC 16v was... check your facts before making yourself look even more dense, eh...

What are the differences? AFAIK the CR would be lower in a turbo but if the car was predetonating all the time you'd be well aware of that. I haven't heard of anything getting reinforced as such.

That's an auto. Different barrel of monkeys entirely. However I had another look at the Coupe and it is the Honda engine, the rocker cover isn't flat - it was hard to tell at a glance because the pipes are distracting ;)

Hmm, yes, I noticed you had conveniently snipped where I commented on that ;)

Seems all the Rover 200 1.6s are Honda units.

Richard

One of my friends ran a Honda Civic ESi with Jackson Racing supercharger. That's the single-cam VTEC. Still scared the crap out of me; very, very quick for a 1.5 (IIRC). Also incredibly well engineered, though he started messing with it to fit it to a CRX instead.

Richard

My bad... didn't read the post properly ;-)

No... the late ones are 1.6 K series, IIRC... just to add more confusion!

in news: snipped-for-privacy@uni-berlin.de, "jack hackett" slurred :

You're only bloody right. I wonder why they didn't use the DOHC lump? IIRC, it has a substantially stronger bottom end, and a lot mkore tuning potential, and it had been thoroughly tried and tested by the time the 216 came out. I suppose it's just a cost margin thing.

Less of a sensible choice for tubo-ing, anyway.

Well one day our paths will cross with any luck...if they do, feel free to laugh at me, to my face.

I said nothing about it being *more* reliable, fuck_wit...

Feel free to go back and post up the proof that I did, or STFU... quite easy really; you seem to have worked out how to with regards to the SOHC 16v lumps.

Getting back to the subject matter, seeing as it's obviously been to a performance and customisation specialist for the conversion, rather than it being a home brewed concoction, chances are it's been done properly, therefore it should be no less reliable than other comparable stuff generated by a factory, especially if you include stuff like R5GTT Turbo, Uno Turbo etc., into the equation, as well as the 600Ti, with its weepy gaskets, and chocolate diffs.

In fact it may even be a better bet, reliability wise, if you're going to run higher levels of boost etc., because chances are they've factored that into the spec when lowering the compression etc., during the conversion.

216 Tomcat never came with the DOHC fitted - they used the SOHC, and then saddled it with the Rover 2.0 DOHC lumps for the higher performance ones.

So one assumes the owner whoever it was that commissioned the work, didn't want the extra hassle of sourcing and dropping in of a DOHC - personally, I don't get why they've bothered turboing it, either.

VTEC... VTEC... VTEC... :0D

lol, the old tough guy routine :)

I'm sure you're a really nice guy or something, to your mum at the very least, but you started it and now I'm *really* pissing myself laughing at you, NovaBoy.

Now I _really_ can't imagine you saying _that_ to his face. I know I wouldn't......