Offer 2 On the R5 :o|

It was, however, the first Tyrrell of the turbo era, hence a special vehicle.

I saw that car somewhere else this week, only it was for sale at £600,000. I think it was a prestige dealer's website. It may not be the same vehicle, but it was a 96 model used by the Bigazzi team in Fina colours. I'd take the 1000bhp with a pinch of salt though. The restrictors used in GT racing meant that the racing versions had less power than the road-going equivalents.

Cheers, Andy

I know. We're planning an E36 M3 after this.

I'm going to miss mine, that's for sure.

But they're just a shit poseur's car. It's widely known that BMW lost the plot with that particular M3 - the E30 M3 was a much better car, the E36 was only a badge-engineering exercise.

BMW lost the plot after the E30, end of story.

Oh ffs... *you* don't happen to like them, therefore they must of course, be 's**te'.

The E30 was a more focussed car, granted, but a four pot one of that, which for me at least, isn't what BMW are best at... Regardless, it being a more focussed car, doesn't make the E36 M3, at least something which hasn't been badged up as one, a 's**te' car, either.

I'd happily have one, funds permitting, anyway.

E34 came afterwards, and they're, when looked after, a decent enough, well built car.

Mason... welcome to 'uk.rec.car-racists.r.us'.

They're widely regarded as a disgrace to the M-Tec badge, though. Not a proper M-series car at all.

There's some nice motors on that site. A few that get me going:

same model Mansell won the championship with, and stupidly cheap. for under £40k. quick car I've seen develop over the past few years at Castle Combe.

as cheap as F1 cars go (well, a Simtek went for £12k about 10 years ago IIRC)

for the road. 440bhp, 4WD, weighs nothing, +200bhp nitrous. Cheers, Andy

I challenge anyone that says that to spend some time with a car with decent power (my personal lower limit would probably be about 170bhp) and a good autobox.

My experience is that people who "hate" autos are talking pish - they've just never driven one.

Douglas

Then so has every other maker, given the way new models are always larger and heavier.

Or some low powered clunker.

My father used to say the same - until he drove his boss's new P6 3500 in about '68. Even although it was a three speed with a second gear start under normal driving. He couldn't get over just how quick it was.

Unfortunately, BMW have managed to combine heavier cars with ever decreasing build quality.

Have to say, the E36 suffers from absolutely terrible quality - even the s**te old 155 is better screwed together than an equivalent age E36.

And the 156 was better in every respect. It was only brain-dead British journalists blinded by the blue and white propellor that claimed otherwise.

I've no complaints over the build quality of my 7 year old E39. Only thing that has broken has been the driver's door handle. Otherwise, it's as tight as new. Nor does it feel a heavy car - it's as lively as any other similar sized car with the same size engine.

Trouble is, yes, a 1.8 or 2.0 156 is better value than a 1.8 or 2.0 BMW. But you'd have to be out of your tree to think a 2.5 or 3.2 can keep up with a

325 or 330 either in a straight line, or around bends, or on a track.

And the buying public, given the relative value after a few years. Of course, the vast majority of people are always wrong.

In news: snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk, Dave Plowman (News) decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows

156's don't hold their money that badly really.

In news: snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk, Dave Plowman (News) decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows

Is it kept in bubblewrap?

The E39s I've been unfortunate enough to drive have all had their problems. The E32 on the path at the moment definately has some issues.