Two wheels and a minor.

Even if the bike is capable of holding 130mph for hours on end, the person riding it isn't.

Sorry to bring the "e" word into this, but what economy did you average over a long trip like that?

And how many litres does the tank hold, what's it range (suppose I could work that out knowing the economy), and how many fuel stops did you need, and on average how long did each fuel/piss stop take?

That's what big fast comfy quiet reliable cars are for.

I would of thought a low budget piece of s**te would be the exact opposite, with a torque curve all over the place?

As standard they produce f*ck all power from a very big engine. This is an engine that's nearly 30 years old, so they've had a lot of opportunities to get it right.

I don't get it off anyone except you dude. And when I deserve it from the other regulars.

You deserve it almost every time you post.

Wrong. Its not an issue.

But bthats dull, more fun to just go on a daft long weekend by bike!

Fuel, about six galls, no idea of economy but bikes seem to do as well fast as slow. They are inneficient due to loads of factors at low revs. Number of fuel stops ? dunno, maybe 10 or 11 Minutes, ate on boat, dont smoke, 3 day weekend got to go! Dunno, not long, how long do you take to fill a tank in a hurry?

Bandits curve is lovely with about 75 to 80 lbft at 3000 and ever increasing power until 8750 with a high rev limit.

I'm coming from an XLR 125. Anything is going to feel insanely fast.

I need to be able to insure it, and afford to buy it, and run it. Don't care about it being 'hard work' - i'm only using it for fun!

Here we go..

Its the old bombroof gsxr oil cooled motor. In that bike it would have anhialated the vfr and had gears left. In a bandit it has a) a crap 750 clutch. (easily swapped) b) a lower compression ratio. c) a bigger 1150cc (bigger bore) d) a poxy 600 airbox (main power limiting factor) e) a purposely restricted exhaust end can (20bhp gained by swapping it!)

This was to suit a gentlemans agreement on power at 100 hp for retro unfaired bikes,

The engine can and does as any tuner will tell you make more power and torque reliably than any engine that ever got fitted to a bike once liberated!

Air box removal - fit jet kit and filters or just a bigger hole in air box +

10bhp GSXR igniter (better advance curve at high revs + another ten, as it allows it to rev again! Bin restricted end can fit race can + 18 to 20 (this alone works)

Gives 140bhp with more torque than any other bike engine almost everywhere.

Skim head, to get compression back and you have a real strong 150 at the wheel.

All serious drag bikes use this engine because it in almost unbreakable. Turbos and nitrous can both give it 300bhp without any issues! ALL of it is strong and can be leaned on heavily.

Try that on a honda. Thats why you dont see any (1?) drag racing.

When you buy a 1200 bandit you get a proper engine, rather than a thing that just does its job.

This all started because of the large drag racing american market. Suzuki asked the racers what they wanted. Big market bto be seen winning over there! They wanted an over engineered (original gsx1100et etx) bombe proof twin swirl, 16 valve, roller crank, steel rods, forged piston, engine with wide gears, strong cases. Suzuki obliged. Thats still carried on now in the oil cooled suzukis.

I would purchase something more user friendly first put a thousand miles on it, learn how to ride a powerful bike.

I know you can't really compare road bikes to motocross but I started on a

50cc when I was 4 years old, then I moved as I out grew them to 80cc, 90cc, 125cc and finally 250cc.

And that is what you need to do really, imo jumping onto a 600cc isn't really a great idea *at all*. You need to be remarkably fit to drive a bike for any extended length of time as well, especially something like a ZZR I imagine.

Except of course you move up to a 250cc, 500cc and then a 600cc or possibly a 750cc?

Nope, not long term, but it does make shortterm memory volatile, so when you turn off the power all of it empties.

Like you can't remember what happened aftyer that 3rd spliff, although everyone said you talked s**te, but were really funny.

Nah, last burst before Autumn and hibernation.

But I'd rather get there, spend the weekend in a nice hotel with a nice pool and nice food, then come back, than get there, be knackered and sleep all weekend, then come back.