Idea of the muscle car is dead (Or, why Ford can't sell cars now)

snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com:

It depends on whom you talk to.

From where we (your average consumers) sit, it makes no sense at all, except, of course, for the "greenie" factor.

From the standpoint of the energy/oil companies, they are making decent profits right now with the status quo. That's why production is half of what it was 20 years ago - there's no reason for them to spend more money to make more oil available at a lower price to consumers.

"dwight" wrote in news:9pydnSHWW4Nt8D7VnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Consider this: "I'm going to get screwed no matter who ends up in the White House, so which one will do me the least harm?"

Got any advice?

The kind who sees too many differing outcomes, with potentiall upside and downside on each side?

What kind of frozen brain does one have to have, to be able to make up one's mind before all the information is in?

This is not a decision between very similar products. It's Obama and McCain. Could they be more different?

What more would you need to know?

dwight

You may have less money with the Democrats, but at least no one dies.

dwight

I disagree. The presidency has less influence on the future of the country than the Congress, and it's not going to change much. Who the figurehead may make a difference in tone and style, but not in substance. Those dufusses who let Mr Bush become King B are more responsible than the Main Asshole himself, for the mess we are in. And they aren't going to change much.

I answered your question. Will you answer mine?

"dwight" wrote in news:juudnZI3lfLZ4D7VnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

I hope you're going for a joke there...

Does this include terrorists?

The variable for the oil companies is they could make more profit from less expensive oil if domestic production increases. Right now they are paying $115/barrel for imported oil with no production costs. If they drill at a cost of even $50/barrel and the world's cost for oil remains at say $80/barrel they are able to make more money. Right now the government makes it too difficult to produce, or outright prohibits, domestic oil exploration and extraction. The kink in this model are the Arabs. It only costs them $2/barrel to suck oil out of the ground so they have lots of leeway to affect prices and they might drop prices to keep us from embarking on seriously increasing domestic oil production.

The greenies have no problem making us suffer for decades, or indefinitely, with high energy prices and they are to much in control of the Democrats to risk voting in Obama along with Reid and Pelosi running Congress. IMO, we will have $6-$7 per gallon gas in two years if these extremely liberal Democrats are in complete control.

When I see the average person on the street can not answer 4 relatively simple civics type questions correctly or even come close in some cases, yeah...

Actually they *could* it could be him or Hilly vs Ron Paul. That would pretty much be night and day. IMHO I see Ohbomba and Cainy as roughly the same superficially on the major issues.

I definitely wouldn't bet on that. It'll just be different segments being targeted.

Do you mean the actual terrorists, or just the guys who drive them around?

dwight

There is no Countdown to Decision. If it's not a snap judgement, then it's an evolutionary process, based upon the available information at any one moment.

The campaign has been ongoing for more than a year, with less than three months to go. There is enough information out there about both candidates to make an informed decision. While we may not have ALL of the information, we have enough to make a rudimentary predictive analysis and, as I've said, there is enough difference between the two candidates to make this decision even easier.

We make decisions constantly "before all of the information is in." This is not a sign of a frozen brain, but quite the reverse - a dynamic, think-on-the-fly, snapshot-in-time brain.

Okay, I answered your question. Now, again, on August 14, 2008, what more would you need to know?

dwight

Michael Johnson wrote in news:W4udnXQfU5K8Fz7VnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

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I don't think they'll have anything near "complete control", only because there are still enough Republican curmudgeons around to stifle them. Look how hard it's been for them to override Bush.

OTOH, this will cause a logjam where nothing gets done because the two sides are usually so far apart. Seems that the term "bipartisan" has been dropped from the vocabulary.

"dwight" wrote in news:H-2dnb5a874oijnVnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

Here's what I need to know - where are these guys on this issue:

Is there a difference between them? The guy that drives the suicide bomber to the market might as well take a dirt nap too.

All the talking heads expect the Democrats to pick up seats in the House and Senate. The House operates on a straight up majority. Now if the Dems get 60 or more seats in the Senate it doesn't matter what the Republicans do. They can't stop anything at that point. Then we are going to see a run of ultra liberal legislation that will make the New Deal look like nothing. It won't just be an assault on your wallet either. It will affect freedom of speech, heck freedoms in general, the quality of health care, gun rights and a whole host of other environmental regulations that will kill off what is left of domestic energy production. Then they will start spending money like drunken sailors on ear marks, ultra expensive alternative energy programs, welfare, schools etc. They will try their best to move us toward socialism as fast as they can get away with it.

Sometimes the gridlock it a good thing. Especially when the people elected to represent us are too greedy, and/or stupid to do what is good and right for the country.

You may be right. Nevertheless, I'd like the candidates to be explicit as to what they'll do about the circumstance Joe brought in:

I am really offended by the Congress's lack of spine in dealing with Iraq's income and failure to participate in their own reconstruction.

I think there is a good chance that between now and election day, one of those guys is going to explode in some pertinent way, either enhancing or destroying his potential as a president. We'll see.