Which is bigger? Titan or Silverado

Okay, yesterday afternoon, I'm driving down the freeway, and I notice a new Titan. Right in front was a Silverado 1500. As I passed by, I felt that the Titan was considerably wider and longer than the Silverado.

Is this true?

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A Celebration
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Nope. They're within inches of each other for exterior dimensions.

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ppointer

What does it matter? If the Titan was bigger would you sell your Chevy?

Does size really matter that much to you?

Hell, if you want quality, get a Toyota. Small in stature, big in everything else.

B~

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BradS

Actually, I was thinking about getting the Kodiak with a pickup bed. then I will the biggest truck in the parking lot! but wait, what if a coworker got a Freightliner? hm, then I would be second biggest. I better get a Western Star Severe duty just to be on the safe side.

No, Size does not matter to me, and no, I am not selling my current truck because someone comes out with one that's two inches bigger. Actually, I would like to get a SMALLER truck. I have little use for a full size pickup. However, if they put the Vortec5300 into the Colorado, then I would be trading in my truck today.

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Trey

Since both are extremely close to each other in overall dimensions, I think you should be asking some different questions.

For Example: Which one offers a wider choice of engine sizes? Gas, diesel or alternative fuel? Transmissions? Rear axle ratios? Capacities (half, three-quarter, and one-ton)? Trim levels? Cab configurations? Options for everything from interior to 4-wheel steering? Which one even offers the exact same truck with all the same options but with a different interior and hood/front end configuration? I'll give you a hint - it ain't Toyota.

I'm not saying that Toyota makes a bad truck. On the contrary. What I am saying is that Toyota (and many other traditionally "foreign" manufacturers) never have offered much in the way of choice or variety. This is a holdover from the days when their trucks were still manufacutred overseas and shipping over a wider selection of options would have been too costly. But since most of these trucks are now being assembled over here then I can't really understand why they don't broaden their selection. They typically take polling data and put together a truck that hits the peak in all of the desired components when crossed with final cost. But if you're in the market for a 3/4-ton diesel powered crewcab with 2wd, a 5-speed automatic transmission and a locking 3.73 rear axle, then you might just as well drive right on past the Toyota dealership without even stopping. But if you're looking for a truck almost identical to what everyone else has got, then pull right in - there's a hundred of them on the lot all lined up and ready to go.

Cheers - Jonathan

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Jonathan Race

That's called "targeting your audience" in business and it's a smart way to run a business. 95% of all people will accept compromise on options.

Brian

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NoSpam

I really am wondering where you're getting this figure of 95%. Targeting your customers is good if you're only selling one product, but somehow I don't think the three biggest sellers of light duty trucks are wrong by offering more choices instead of fewer. Sales for the Toyota Tacoma for January, 2004 came in a very distant 4th (11616) to Ford F-Series (61979), Chevy Silverado (40966), Dodge Ram (28021) and even GMC Sierra (12063). The Nissan Frontier came in last (4644). Toyota and Nissan (among others) aren't targeting their audience, they are maximizing their profits by limiting your choices. I for one had no use for either the Titan or the Tundra, as neither had any of the options I wanted or needed. Somehow, just by looking at these sales numbers, I don't really think that I'm in a group of only 5% of new truck buyers. Nissan isn't targeting truck buyers with its new Titan, only the few very-well-to-do truck buyers at the top end of the scale with a truck (and a price) geared to meet some fairly limited needs.

From my point of view, most Americans seem willing to give a little here and there, but damn few are eager to settle for something they don't want or need unless there is absolutely no other choice. Or what they are offered actually meets their needs.

Cheers - Jonathan

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Jonathan Race

Yes and no

Titan LE King Cab 4x4 Silverado Ext Cab 1500 LT

Wheelbase = 139.8 143.5 Track width F = 67.5 65.0 Track widht R = 67.5 66.0 Length = 224.2 230.2 Width = 78.8 78.5 Height = 76.6 73.9 Ground clearance = 11.3 8.5 Cargo bed length = 78.9 78.7 Cargo bed width = 63.8 64.8 Cargo bed width between wheels = 50.0 50.0 Cargo bed height = 19.9 19.5 Angle of approach = 31.8 25.4 Angle of departure = 28.4 27.5

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Aaron Ciesar

You're looking at it backwards. Smart companies go out and figure out what customers want, then fill that need. It's called "Marketing". Dumb companies build what they want, then try to convince you to buy it.

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Bob

I don't know where he got his numbers, but I know that 70% of all full size truck sales in the use are in the half ton class.

Or brilliant if this is your first forray into a highly competative market. Coming soon... Nissan 3/4 ton and diesals. Depends on sales of Titan.

Why are you comparing japanese compacts to domestic full size?

While I can't speak for Toyota. Nissan is not limiting choices to maximize profit. Nissan is taking a huge risk. They are entering a market dominated by domestics. It has take Toyota over 4 years to gain

11% of the half-ton market share. For all intensive purposes, the Tundra has been Toyotas biggest flop.

Nissan did not want to pull a "Toyota". The deliberatly built and marketed the Titan to meet and exceed the needs of 70% of all full-size truck sales. Nissan does expect to expand the Titan line-up, but not untill they have gained a solid foot hold in the full-size market.

Good for you. The Titan is not for everybody. Never was meant to be.

Wow, what dealership to you work for. The Titan has GM scared out of its mind. Ford had to redesign the F150 to make it competative. The Dodge Hemi comercials make Nissan Titan onwers and salespeople laugh. And the Tundra just does not count.

Speaking of price, a comparably equipped Titan cost an average of $3000 less that the domestic brands. Talk about screwing your customers on price. Mark up the price by $3000, them give them $3000 to fool the sheep into thinking they are getting a "great deal".

Your right, Americans want quality. Americans want vehicles built by Americans. Americans want resale value. Americans want choice.

Your also right that Americans will sacrifice a little. Unfortunatley, American truck buyers have sacrificed the most. Nissan is targeting the disillusioned, the informed buyer, and the working Joe. Big time.

FYI, Titan sales have exceeded forecasts. Nissan expected to sell

100,000 Titans this year. Sales already have forced Nissan to double production and their estimates.
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Aaron Ciesar

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sidewinder

True but the whole point of being in business is profit margin. The Japanese manufacturers make more per vehicle than American manufacturers. I know because I used to work for Chrysler as a Process Engineer. I now am working for Ingersoll-Rand as an Engineer. Selling more vehicles is only a perception of being number one. At the end of the day the guy with the most money is number one.

Regards Brian

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Trey

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NoSpam

Nope,

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"In compliance with a ruling issued by the United States District Court in Los Angeles on November 14, 2002, in the lawsuit of Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. v. Nissan Computer Corporation, this web site has been converted to non-commercial use."

Reply to
Trey

What have you been smoking?? Toyota makes only make believe trucks...

Reply to
vb

Built in America @ Smyrna, TN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your also right that Americans will sacrifice a little. Unfortunatley,

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William Allen Morgan

(I'll ignore the toppost)

You COULD put a 350 into an S-10/S-15. I've known those who've done this. The 4.3L V6 has the same bolt pattern as the 350.

Reply to
Jacques Strapp

Wow.....we're expected to believe anti-domestic propaganda from a Nissan employee?

That's the thing about folks in the good ol' USofA. We get what we want. Reliability? My *1979* GMC K-1500 Shortbed 350 has well over 400,000 miles on it. With the original engine. After taking several impacts from these little foreign things (the most recent was a suzuki aerio...shoulda seen the owner crying and his car bleeding all over the ground after he didn't notice I was stopping). And concrete walls. When's the last time you saw a '79 Datsun pickup that the frame hasn't rotted out on?

I don't think GM's at all 'scared' of the titan - I'm sure the want the competition, to raise their numbers.

JC

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JC

Maybe a Titan could run into your GMC, bet it would do some damage. Don't get me wrong, I'm a happy owner of a 1999 Z71, but this is a global economy. And if you want a good Chevy product they need competition.

I don't know how old you are but if you were buying new American vehicles in the mid 70's let's face it. They were less than desirable. General Motors only got better because they had strong import competition.

And just because Aaron is a Nissan employee doesn't make him a liar. He's the only one I see here that gave his full name and a phone number!

Brian

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