Luxury car buyers: how will you explain it to your Creator?

Why would I explain to an omnipotent being how *I* left many with unmet needs?

Thread over.

Venger

Thread over?

Amen, brother!

Damnit... Stop using logic when referring to religion. Logic is not allowed!

Because He charged you and I with doing what we could with the resources He provided to meet those needs.

If that's true, you've got nothing to worry about ... and yet (as I've noted) you spend a lot more time and emotional energy on this than you would if I'd said Santa Claus charged you and I with doing what we could to meet those needs. I wonder if the reason is that in the Santa Claus scenario you wouldn't have to try to convince yourself?

Well, that is the first mistake, bad management.

Second mistake is trying to get others to do what you can do better.

Which is why I should always make my kids' beds?

And clean their room? No one told you about that before you had the kids, did they? Especially your parents!

Our daughters learned, and then later asked... We carefully told them that we'd decided to not say a word, and let 'em learn the hard way!

It seems this fellow, let's call him Joe, died and went to heaven where everything was perfect...except there were no Ferraris. So Joe went to St. Peter and said 'hey, if heaven is perfect, then there should be Ferraris here, as they are the perfect car and they do have a soul' After much negotiation, St. Peter gave Joe a Ferrari on the condition that he could only sit in it...never drive it. Joe thought he would be satisfied.

Well, that worked for about 2 days. Then Joe went back to St. Peter and told him that sitting and not driving was worse than not having a Ferrari at all. So again, after much discussion, St. Peter let Joe drive the car but no faster that 20 kilometers per hour. So, Joe is driving around on the outskirts of heaven at 20 kph when an F50 went by at about 250 kph. Now, Joe was quite upset, so he went back to St. Peter again and said "How come that guy gets to drive his Ferrari so fast and I don't. I saw his license plate and it started with NA, so he must be from Naples and why does a Neopolitan get better treatment than me?"

St. Peter said "Don't get so upset about that F50. The NA is not Naples...it is Nazareth and the driver is the owner's son."

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"MH" wrote

...and the award for Best Answer goes to....

-Paul

Er ... my question was rhetorical. The point is that it's NOT always a mistake to try to get others to do what one can do better oneself.

A straw-man argument was the best answer? How revealing.

Also wrong.

Quite.

Your initial point was mildly provocative and drew an entertaining knee-jerk from the 'all rich people are so because they are talented, all poor people are so because they are lazy' brigade but your attempts to follow up have been formulaic and uninspiring to say the least; so MH's response was indeed the best, combining humor with a more serious point - which I suspect was over your head.

In short: nice try, poor follow-through.

All possession is indeed (at its simplest) theft, but how about a little perspective? the odd 'luxury' car here and there is sadly dwarfed by the ongoing daily atrocities in the name (various apply) of 'god' that those such as you promote. Ultimate poverty is to be denied life itself, and you religious types deny that of others so very often - such that religion is and always has been one of the greatest causes of death and suffering.

You put forward only school-boy philosophy and cannot build a logical argument upon it, so resort to faux-intellectual comments such as 'A straw-man argument was the best answer? How revealing'. All you are achieving is to reveal yourself.

-Paul

"M_P" wrote

Bye then!.

Better luck next time.

Over and out.

Classic troll.

I like debate, I even like discussing politics and religion, as long as everyone stays reasonable and coherent.

This 'creator' is apparently pretty judgmental and has some sort of spending cap on how well someone lives. Of course, s/he never actually defines that, other than in nebulous and non-specific terms, thus encouraging further debate. Pointless debate, because s/he never actually responds with facts.

I'm truly interested - what's the spending cap? How good a life is "too good" before the 'creator' gets miffed? I know of billionaires who give hundreds of millions to charity, but they remain billionaires; they no doubt drive 'expensive' (a relative term) cars, live in expensive homes. Are they condemned simply because the 'creator' thinks they should give away all of their wealth, live in a hut and drive a Prius?

I don't expect any sort of real answer, based on the vague and circular responses so far....

If and when I ever stand before a creator - and I don't think I will, btw (He may kill me out of hand but I doubt I'll get any sort of audience)- if that happens I have nothing to hide and am certainly not ashamed of my car, my home, or anything else. If He is, then He doesn't deserve any respect.

Last word.

MH

PS Hi Paul! ;-)

Paul Duff> "M_P" wrote

Why shouldn't He be, being the Creator?

Truly interested in learning the answer (which would imply doing one's own investigation) ... or truly interested in pretending that one can conclude that no such thing as excessive luxury exists because I haven't provided a specific figure?

Your Creator deserves no respect because His ideas differ from those of His creature? You can't say that with a straight face while taking seriously (if only for purpose of discussion) the existence of a Creator. And if you can't take seriously (if only for purpose of discussion) the existence of a Creator, why are you bothering to talk with -- or about -- what I've posted?

Well, who died and made him creator?