Eeyore ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
I wonder what angle the rear window has to be at to make this mysterious magical huge refinement difference between a hatch and an estate...?
After all, they BOTH have the boot volume open to the passenger compartment separated only by a removable parcel shelf...
Colin Stamp ( snipped-for-privacy@stamp.plus.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Ummm, I recently replaced the XM I've had for the last seven years with a
3dr c900...However, I prefer to lob tip crap into the back of the 2cv van - unfortunately, several of my local tips count that as a "commercial vehicle" and refuse to let it in...
The volume in question is larger in the case of an estate which will tend to amke it 'boom' more at low frequencies which can be very irritating.
The parcel shelf of a hatch is significantly smaller than the load cover of an estate too. Not to mention that many a load cover is simply thin material. Result, more noise in the estate on both counts.
Graham
Eeyore ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Sometimes, not always. Often they're the same.
Or will the sharper incline of a hatch rear window reflect it forward more readily?
Sometimes, not always. Sometimes it is on hatches, too.
Eeyore ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
By the time it was dropped towards the end of the mid-90s, yes. It was bloody ancient. The 95's been out for damn near a decade now.
It's the only figure of merit that the manufacturers understand, yes.
Are they in the £25k exec car market now? I must have missed that.
Yes, true in the US also.
Which is the same thing he said about the BMW 5 series when uit was last updated. This is clearly NOT a US / Americanization issue.
Have you ever actually *driven* a 9^3 Sport Sedan? It is an infinitely better driving car than the previous 9-3/NG900 or even the C900.
Funny you should say that. There's one of those in the street here and I noticed it earlier. It looks like it's been given eyebrows. I think it looks silly.
More chrome (as in the case of the 9-5) is generally seen to be a US fad by us lot.
Graham
Fred W (malt snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Considering that the NG900 was a Chavalier/Vectra A, and the previous NG the Vectra B, that's really not that difficult...
A 35 year old design, albeit one that's got a damn fine reputation compared to cars a generation or so newer. Wonder what the 93ss would be like without all the electrickery to keep it under control?
Exactly which electrotrickery keep the 9^3 SS "under control"?
Is it that damn ABS? Maybe you are scorning the electronic fuel injection?
I know, it's the heater control panel. That must be what keeps it "under control". Damn electrotrickery.
Psst - Your ignorance of the newer cars is showing...
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No, its mainly historical. People in US have certain taste for how a car should look, so we get heavy front features and chrome surrounds. You can often see these style elements rooted from way back to the
1950's large cruisers. Companies such as Audi and Volvo once introduced squared chromed headlamps for US market only. Some of this styling is considered garish by European eyes. We think a car should have a clean efficient shape. Fashion plays a huge role for what we would like to bee seen in.
Oh come on now. He hasn't checked any, he just knows...
Nope. Cars which have absolutely no chance of meeting my needs don't get a look-in as far as test drives are concerned.
It could well be but it's not relevant, unless you're trying to imply that it's a better drive because it's not a hatchback, which would just be plain silly.
In the absence of a hatchback, I might well have considered the SportWagon for my next car, but the engine sizes work out awkwardly - the 2.0T would be a noticeable downgrade from my current 9-3 and the V6 is over my 2.5L fuel-card limit.
Cheers,
Colin.
Fred W (malt snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Psssst - One of us is at least aware of the existance of traction control, stability control, electronic brake distribution & "cornering brake control" - all of them standard on even the base-spec 93ss since launch.
(Actually, not quite true - Airflow & Linear spec have ESP as a £350 option, but all the rest of the alphabetti-spaghetti is standard-fit, as is ESP on Vector & Aero spec)
DervMan ( snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
Because he drove a Mk2 Cortina estate in the 60s, and it was s*it.
If you look at the technical data for the MY2000 the 9^5, estates were more quiet than the saloon, at least when measured. IIRC there was a difference of about 2 dB in average and the best estate was about 3 dB more quiet that the worst saloon. Manual being louder than auto tranny. Unfortunately Saab doesn't seem to publish noise data any longer. My impression (from driving many newer 9^5s when my own is in for repair) is that the 9^5 has become louder over the years. This is probably most likely due to larger rims and wider harder tires to allow a more sporty driving style.
Please name a hatchback with a thin cloth-like material 'parcel shelf'.
Graham
I had a Mk 1. By the standards of cars of the day they were very good.
Graham
As I have stated - as you have stated - this is not relevant.
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