car with splayed wheels.

'86' is restaurant slang for 'throw it away'.

Google says "The wheels are tilted for the purposes of gaining more traction during hard turns. Any form of “tilt” in tires is something called the camber angle, and splaying the wheels like that is a negative camber angle. Doing it the other way ( with the top out instead of the bottom) is called positive camber."

If that were true, wouldn't serious race cars tilt their tires? I've seen cars with tilted tires and it just looks stupid. Spend the money on pretty neon under-car lights instead.

Yep, extreme negative camber and, in terms of handling, it's all negative - no benefit. Stancing of that order is all about the look. Personally, to me it looks utterly ridiculous. The look of a wanker!

Modern wide low profile radial tyres work best when camber is close to zero. IOW, keep all of the tread flat on the road. Minimises tyre wear too.

You are just like the British simpleton "Commander Kinsey" with no knowledge in Physics (or anything else).

All Formula One race cars have negative camber on all four tires.

The centrifugal force created when a race car is cornering will try to flip the race car over. The centrifugal force acts on the centre of gravity of the race car, through the point at the centre of the tyres on the inner side of the turn, and the angle of the line connecting the centre of the tyres to the point of contact with the road surface.

For normal cars with zero camber, the centre of the tyres are vertically (90 degrees) above the road surface. If you can move that point of road contact point farther out, that will make it more difficult for the centrifugal force to flip the race car.

For simple minded Brits, just imagine when someone pushes you from the side when you are standing at attention (both legs closed). It won't take much to push you over. Now imagine someone pushes you from the side when you are standing with your legs four feet apart. That will be very difficult to push you over from the side.

You have a simple mind.

You are the utterly stupid wanker!

That's not good for racing, simpleton.

He and I are talking about a street car, not a race car.

And he's not talking about racing and neither was I, and the car was at the stop sign in front of me, and the guy whose car it was said not a word about racing.

Why are you so negative, so insulting to someone who didn't say a negative word to you or to us?

Such people try to emulate the effect and look of negative camber on race cars.

You are hopelessly stupid if you can't figure out the reason those people get the mod is to emulate the effect and look of a race car.

Others have mentioned it, but it may have gotten lost in the considerable noise.

The word you're looking for is stance. Do a Google image search for stanced cars and you'll see what it's about.

Approx. 3 degrees negative at the front and between 0 and 1 degrees negative at the rear. You won't visually see 1 degree of negative camber. The front suspension changes in load under cornering will increase or decrease camber by up to 5 degrees, the unloaded inner wheel typically losing camber and becoming vertical whilst the outer wheel will increase negative camber under cornering forces. The increase in cornering forces places pressure on tyre sidewalls so that the tread sits *flat* on the road. At the rear, traction is more important so less negative camber is the order of the day. As well, rear tyres are typically wider so too much negative camber will cause a *loss* in the tyre contact area because the tyre will be running on and contacting on only one side of the tread.

Sounds impressive but irrelevant to the negative camber. Oh, and there's no such an animal as centrifugal force. It's just a convenient fiction to explain *forces* to n*****ts like yourself.

Please try to understand the effect a lateral arm suspension has on camber under cornering.

Again, sounds impressive but irrelevant when referencing negative camber. What you should be focused on is the vehicle's roll centre versus G of G.

Now tell me that the car in the above link looks anything but ridiculous? Sitting only on 50% or less of the tyre contact area and of such a profile that, even with sidewall distortion, there's no hope of ever getting 100% contact patch engagement so handling is *compromised* at best and downright dangerous at worst.

Then you clearly do not understand racing. The important factor in any sort of car handling is tyre contact area and tyre slip angles. When you understand those two factors, come back and discuss it further. Thus far all you've been doing is throwing irrelevant bullshit into the mix. Basically, that tells me you do not have a clue about vehicle handling be it in racing or road use.

FWIW, I've done more car wheel alignments than you've had hot dinners.

Never seen a *stanced* race car. Ie. a *real race car*. Only seen it on poseur cars.

Well, sure. But the topic is still street cars and insulting someone for discussing a different topic from what you want to change it to is more reprehensible than insulting someone who is misdiscussing the same topic you are discussing.

Who said I can't figure it out? I already knew it. And even if I didn't/couldn't, why are you so insulting? If you have indigestion, take a TUMS. Every time you act like this, you lose credibility even when you're behaving properly. Ask yourself why you call yourself a wannabe.

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Yes, the topic is street cars, but the people are using street cars to emulate the effect and look race cars. Are you stupid or something, or just plain stupid?

You behave like you can't figure it out. Are you stupid or something, or just plain stupid?

Thanks. This one really impressed me

I want one.

also:

I absolutely do not want one. I guess I'm not part of the target market because I don't see any pros, only cons.

Another thing I'm starting to see are vehicles that are lifted several feet in the front, and not at all in the rear. The driver and passengers are staring at the sky, which seems to be a safety issue.

I've seen examples on the street that are even more extreme than the most extreme examples in the article at that link. You can easily hide a whole vehicle in the blind spot, let alone a motorcyclist or pedestrian.

I'm with you! It not only looks stupid, it *is* stupid.

I wonder how often you have to replace the tires. If you have them remounted to use the other side, does that mark you as a poser?

You have no money even for food. You are on a subsistence diet of wild wabbit and dingo meat. You're jealous of fancy cars. That's why you think it is stupid, stupid.

LOL

I hope no one thought I really wanted one. Except maybe to park outside my house and use it to look cool and attract girls that walk by.

Just having that crazy shit on your car marks you as a poseur! ;-)

Jealous of *fancy cars*? I don't think so. I don't *worship* cars and I am sufficiently well endowed that I have no need of a penis extension. To me, cars are a machine, nothing more, and it was once my role to repair such machines. I like my car to be practical - stanced cars are definitely not practical thus have no place in my garage or in my life.