I will have to research. But I don't see a parallel other than decent. In Venezuela, they have excess capacity relative to local demand. They pay, what? 25 cents a gallon, relative? I went down Baja a couple of years ago and gasoline was U.S. market.
Well, we are. I don't think it is about the oil producing countries. I think it is about China. But that's another topic.
Best, Dan.
I like it fine. Ready to crunch some real numbers?
I didn't think so..........
Ok, this is in units of energy.
I won't. However, this is in units of power.
Which is it? Energy or power?
The problem is, actually, that you consume more fossil fuel to run a car on hydrogen, whether you use an ICE or fuel cell, than you would if you had never made the hydrogen in the first place.
Duane
So when's it going to happen ?
Graham
I see your bye-bye was a lie.
Wonder where else H2 can be found? H2O?
No, I am just pointing out to you that fossil fuels aren't the only source of heat.
You've read what the peak oil promoters wrote, congrats.
I think you can figure it out. www.exx (...) .com
I'll stick with the annual report from big oil rather than internet message board websites and blogs.
I get nothing for free. I trade my labor for dollars and then those dollars I use to buy things. (as little from china as possible)
The power to tank the US economy and the dollar any time they feel like it.
The federal reserve does.
Wooptie do for you.
So what's your solution bright eyes?
The saudis cut back and increase production regularly to tweak the price of oil.
Not my fault you can't follow the thread. I don't like 100+ line posts.
If the US defaults, then my savings, the savings of everyone who has dollars is wiped out. The dollar has no material backing ya know.
Who said anything about in isolation? You like adding thing to what I wrote to knock them down apparently. If the US defaults on its notes, the dollar is going to tank.
You've already not lived up to it twice.
It would be called magic in fact ! Because it would violate all known scientific principles.
It has *nothing* to do with *voltage* you idiot ! Learn some science before posting your stupid ignorant drivel.
Graham
What problems would those be ?
What problems are Toyota and Honda experiencing ?
That's because you're all overweight lardy asses.
Graham
That's a purely US invented consequence.
Graham
ICE efficiency is well known, for old cars it may be as low as 15 percent, some diesels and hybrids about
25 or 30 percent, and the monster engines as big as a house can get 40 or 50 percent, but they might not be good as power plants.It's magic, an electric car might get 20 miles on less than a dollar of electricity, but an ICE car might only get 20 MPG, or more than two dollars.
You seem uninformed about this.
The fact that hydrogen powered fuel cell cars may make sense may only be because fuel cell cars ARE electric cars.
The reason hybrids get good mileage is because they ARE electric cars. There needs to be more appreciation of the fact that electric cars are the future, whether they are gasoline hybrid electric, diesel hybrid electric, fuel cell electric, or plug-in electric.
Joe Fischer
An obsession with using corn would be mine. Even so it's not energy negative.
Graham
I didn't say otherwise.
The US government will just overthrow the government, like it did Iran's in the 1950s when the Iran's government tried to get a bigger share of the oil profits. The US government isn't beyond overthrowing a government for this sort of thing. Then again it could just have an invasion too.
Pretty much my point.
It's pretty clear you don't have squat.
Because they're poorly educated and can't grasp even simple notions like that. They'd rather believe in the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Graham
So what happens when *they* run out ?
Graham
There can be no breakthrough with H2 storage and distribution ( another big issue that's usually overlooked ). Why ? Because the physics and chemistry of hydrogen isn't going to change ! There will be no hydrogen economy.
Graham
If you call Americans a race then I guess you're right.
Graham
Hydrogen as a fuel will *never* make economic sense.It will probably not make sense for a host of other reasons too.
Graham
What planet are you living on Brent ?
Graham
Not if a steam driven generator is used to produce the hydrogen and the steam is produced by a concentrating solar collector with a sun tracker. :-)
Joe Fischer
Wait til you hear his views on 9/11 !
Graham
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