I have no idea why Toyota has allocated the WMIs the way they have done it. Can you explain why does Ford uses 1, 4, and 5 in the first position of the VIN? Why does a Ford Explorer use a 1 as the first digit and a Mercury Mountaineer use a 4? Why does a Ford Expedition use a 1 as the first digit and a Lincoln Navigator use a 5? Why does a Ford Escape use a 1 as the first digit and a Mercury Marier use a 4? Why do all Mustangs have a 1 as the first digit, when V-6 Automatic Mustangs don't have enough domestic content to qualify as a domestic car? Why don't you provide one verifiable reference that confirms your speculation that the WMI is related to domestic content?
I notice you did not answer why Nissan has a '1' on their cars and trucks, yet came to the US long after Toyota, but want me to answer . Those Ford products that have and '4' and '5' do not have enough US content to warrant a '1' The interiors, grills, and many other lower volume parts are made in Canada, for the other versions of the Ford models, and do not count as US content.
The problem is you are confusing the NAP label with US content. The Mustangs in total have enough US content to warrant a '1.' The R&D, engineering, steel, rubber, glass, plastics, electronic etc all originated in the US, for one. I've told you guys a dozen time to search the US Commerce Department for the information you seek. That is what I did I after I contacted some of the people I knew at my former employer and they did not even know.
Because the SAE assigned Nissan a '1'. Why don't you ask them? If you search the SAE site, you can find the names of a few people who are responsible for the VIN numberings system.
You said that parts made in Canada don't count as US content for the VIN system. How about proving this? What is the URL of the site that describes how the 1, 4, and 5 are assigned? How about evidence that is independent of the VIN system that demonstrates that Ford gets more parts all Mercury SUVs from Canada, and even more all Lincolns? Notice I said all. All Mercury SUVs get a '4' and all LIncoln SUVs and Trucks get a '5'.
You said that R&D and engineer count. Were the Navigators engineered in Canada? How about the R&D? Was that different for the LIncolns than the Fords? I would think all the R&D was near Canada, just west of Detroit. But last I checked, Michigan was still part of the US.
You said you contacted a few people you know from your old job, and they did not know. Aren't they the people who claim told you this nonsense in the beginning? Aren't they the people you said sent you the URL in the first place?
So what you're saying is that you have absolutely no proof for this. And this system is mandated by someone (Commerce Depart?), yet there is no evidence of this on any newstory, any commerce department website, and no vehicle manufacturer.
Yet, all the first digits of each vehicle type (car, truck, SUV, truck - chasis only, etc.) seems to be set for each make? I mean, I haven't seen any Fords that begin 5F* or 4F*, they all begin 1F*. Wouldn't you think there was some variation? I mean Ford gets a lot of its parts for its Mustang from Mexico. And some parts from Canada, most likely. Don't you think at least some Mustangs or Fusions, Foci, or whatever would get a 4? And don't you think it is odd that Mercury and Lincoln use enough content to get a 1 for their cars, but Mercury gets a 4 for their trucks? And Mazda too? And Lincoln gets a 5? Why do you think that Mercury and Lincoln build their parts in Canada while Ford doesn't? And do you have any independent evidence that they do?
What standard of the Department of Commerce? Why is the Department of Commerce involved when the Department of Transportation is assigned the task of assigning VINs? (The Department of Transportation contracts this out the Socitety of Automotive Engineers.) Don't you think there would some documentation someplace? I mean we are talking about the VIN. This standard is not even hinted at on any web site I have seen, including the web site of the vehicle manufacturers, when they have the VIN info.
I have done my homework. I have found a lot that is inconsistant with your claim. That, plus a complete lack of evidence supporting your claim tells me that you claim is bogus.
You are free to believe whatever you chose but why did you not answer the question asked instead of asking one? I have told you were to look numerous times. You may bookmark ever site you visit. I do not
It should be in your history. Both Firefox and Internet Explorer have keep a history of all the sites you have visited. Of course, you would have actually have had to have found proof to back your claim for this to work.
No for me. I use a laptop, via satellite to reach a server that is connect to the PTD.net ISP, that provides my connection to the NGs. My history, cookies etc are deleted automatically, when sign off. Emails sent to my mailbox on that server are automaticly deleted after 24 hours.
There are no 1ZTs in the list. The 1ZVs are all Mustangs built at the Flat Rock Assembly Plant jointly owned by Ford and Mazda ( 1ZV = Automotive Alliance International (USA) Ford Passenger Car)
Here is a list of all the 2007 Ford WMI from
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: VIN Code Vehicle Manufacturer Make Type
1F6 Detroit Chassis LLC, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis
1FA Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Passenger Car
1FB Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Bus
1FC Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Basic (Stripped) Chassis
1FD Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Incomplete Vehicle
1FM Ford Motor Company, USA Ford MPV*
1FT Ford Motor Company, USA Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle)
1L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle - Limousine
1LJ Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Incomplete Vehicle (Hearse)
1LN Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Passenger Car
1ME Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Passenger Car
1MH Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury Incomplete Vehicle
1ZV Automotive Alliance International (USA) Ford Passenger Car
2FA Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Passenger Car
2FD Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Incomplete Vehicle
2FM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford MPV
2FT Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle)
2LM Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Lincoln MPV
2ME Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Passenger Car
2MH Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury Incomplete Vehicle
2MR Ford Motor Company of Canada, Ltd. Mercury MPV
3FA Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Passenger Car
3FD Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Incomplete Vehicle
3FT Ford Motor Company Mexico Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle)
3FN Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Truck (Completed Vehicle)
3FR Blue Diamond Trucks S. De R. L. De C. V. Ford Incomplete Vehicle
3LN Ford Motor Company, Mexico Lincoln Passenger Car
3ME Ford Motor Company, Mexico Mercury Passenger Car
4F2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda MPV
4F4 Ford Motor Company, USA Mazda Truck (Completed Vehicle)
4M2 Ford Motor Company, USA Mercury MPV
5L1 Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV - Limousine
5LM Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln MPV
5LT Ford Motor Company, USA Lincoln Truck (Completed Vehicle)
Well now we are getting somewhere. you don't actually have any proof. You just think there is some proof. You think you remember seeing some proof, but you can't find it, so you are hoping someone can find it for you.
Give up Mike. There is no relationship between the WMI and domestic content. Nobody is going to find proof that doesn't exist.
Here is more for you to think about.
To be considered a domestic vehicle, the vehicle must have 75% domestic content. According to the domestic content label, the average Mustang only contains 70% domestic content, but it is assembled in the USA and gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. Likewise, the average 2008 Ford Escape only includes 65% domestic content, yet is still gets a "1" as the first digit of the VIN. How do you explain these vehicles that don't seem to fit into your pet theory that the VIN indicates domestic content?
You have to quit making this stuff up. There is no way that there is enoguh difference in a Exporer and a Mountaineer for your statemetn to be true.
Why do Mustangs get a "1" if the WMI indicates domestic contnet? The average Mustang only has 70% domestic (US + Canadian) content, and V-6 Automatic Mustangs must have significantly less than average since they use a German built Engine and a French built transmission.
True, but all the Corollas are "1NX." The WMI is not just the first digit, or the first two digits, it is the first three digits taken as a whole. I have wondered if the reason that there are no 1T US built Toyotas might not be the result of another company being assigned the "1T" before Toyota. The SAE maintains a completel list of WMIs, but they don't give it away. I think that it is entirely possible that "1T" was previously assigned, just like NUMMI got the 1N. Nissan still uses 1N as well, but the third digits are all different.
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